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UknowsI · Joined: 16 Apr 2009

I have often wondered why people are proud of their pride while pride is commonly considered the most serious of any sin. While I am not personally religious, I do feel like the majority of the problems people are experiencing are directly related to the traditional sins.

It is still possible to recognize the strong points of your country without making yourself feel superior, but when it comes to patriotism I feel like the line is often crossed.

Strong points of my North European home country:
Gives everyone a good opportunity to be successful in life

Weak points:
Fosters laziness and gluttony

There are many other strong and weak points, but I think most of them are related to those two.

Steelrails · Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System

I'd say I have average pride in America, leaning towards ambivalence.

Now say something bad about Michigan or The D or The Ace Deuce and its on. That's right Ohio, I'm looking at you. Smile

Patriotism isn't local enough. Whatever happened to hating Shelbyville? Or even the other side of town?

Whatever happened to the annual grudge matches between High Schools on opposite sides of town that would feature rolling fist fights to and from the game? Are we that uncivilized now?

morrisonhotel · Joined: 18 Jul 2009 Location: Gyeonggi-do

BoholDiver · Joined: 03 Oct 2009 Location: Canada

Not happy. Several hundered (maybe over 1000) have died there and 2 of them were members of my old regiment. One of them was someone I would call my friend.

Someone else said it. You can be proud without putting others down.

UKnowsI: I agree mostly. The socialist system doesn't work. On paper, in theory it does bcause we're not all born equal. In the end, dependent people often get into a habit of leeching.

I would also like our immigration policy to be revamped.

calicoe · Joined: 23 Dec 2008 Location: South Korea

I see both the bad and good of where I'm from (NYC, United States), with the key difference as I get older being: I also see the good.

methdxman · Joined: 14 Sep 2010

There is usually an inverse relationship between patriotism and intelligence.

RMNC · Joined: 21 Jul 2010

I'm not proud about America or any other country. What's the point?

Cascadia, however...

Skipperoo · Joined: 05 Jul 2010

Patriotism has quite a loaded meaning in the english speaking west these days, and is often confused with nationalism. I think that's quite a shame, a sense of pride about one's roots, community and cultural heritage can act as a binding factor within society, which is beneficial on any number of levels.

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Hyeon Een · Joined: 24 Jun 2005

As has already been stated by a few of those above me, I feel no pride in things which I have not done. Taking pride in a nation is a kind of odd concept. I didn't make my country what it is, and I certainly didn't make it what it once was. Taking pride in my country's past achievements strikes me as simply silly.

I'm from the UK. Most of our country's conquests and achievements are in the past. For a modern hegemonic nation, ie the US, I can kind of see the confusion. One see's one's country as No.1, as it is, and then confusingly thinks that one has something to do with that. You don't have anything to do with it. You were born there. That's it. Taking pride in the place you were born strikes me as a cross between odd and ignorant, since we don't get a choice in the matter.

I think my country has done some wonderful things, and some.. not so good things. But I'm neither proud nor ashamed. I didn't do these things. They are historical events, nothing to do with me.

I think that if one feels 'pride' for things done in one's country's name, one should also feel an equal amount of 'shame' for every negative thing your country has done. If you're 'proud' that your nation has put a man on the moon, you should be equally be ashamed of the My Lai Massacre. If you're proud of your nation's conquest of S. America, you should be equally ashamed of the genocide of the natives. ad infinitum.

I think it's much more useful to look at oneself, and nothing more. Are you proud of what you have done? If so, be proud. If not, don't cling to the ragged flag you were born under and try and suck a little glory from it and call it pride. It's grasping at, I will admit, very fragrant and handsome straws, but grasping at straws nonetheless.

chellovek · Joined: 29 Feb 2008

I'm not proud, either in the sense of patriotism or nationalism. However, I would say I've learned to appreciate England in a way a few years ago in a way I didn't before I came here. More in the sense that Koreans tend to say us foreigners have to understand and adapt to their culture, which is fine in my opinion. However it has teneded to push me into the niche of being an Englishman in the eyes of Koreans, and as such I've come to know and appreciate my own nationality more deeply. I despise the gov't but on the whole I don't think England is so bad. That is to say, I know I'm not Korean. I am English and it is my heritage and I behave in a way influenced by that culture. I like Korea and the culture but I also have no wish to be Korean because I was raised British and that is the main influence on my behaviour and weltanschauung.

Madigan · Joined: 15 Oct 2010