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South Korean Navy frees hijacked ship, kills 8 pirates
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hari seldon



Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:42 am    Post subject: South Korean Navy frees hijacked ship, kills 8 pirates Reply with quote

South Korean naval special forces successfully rescued 21 seamen and their South Korean-operated cargo ship that was hijacked last week by Somali pirates in an operation that left eight Somali pirates dead...

In a nationally televised address, President Lee Myung-bak hailed the success of the rescue operation, code-named "Dawn of Gulf of Aden,"...

The operation brought a dramatic conclusion to the unprecedented mission by the South Korean forces in the Arabian Sea that started early this week when South Korean destroyer Choi Young, with some 300 special troops, pursued the 11,500-ton Samho Jewelry...

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2011/01/21/88/0301000000AEN20110121007600315F.HTML

I ordered a rescue operation to the defense minister at 5:12 p.m. yesterday," Lee said. "I would like to thank allies for cooperation on this operation."

http://www.koreaherald.com/national/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20110121000766

It's nice to see the South Korean Navy demonstrating its blue water capabilities in the wake of the Cheonan sinking.
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Koreadays



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My questions are these..
First. Is it illegal to kill somali's? don't foreigners need some sort of permissions to murder people in other peoples countries?
I'm not saying the Somali government will try to prosecute the Korean navy, but are there rules?
second. was it a stupid move? I mean what if the pirates just shot all the crew in the head.. then where would LMB be?
still , well done Korean Seals.. but I don't know if you guys should try this every time, because the pirates might just start killing Koreans.
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Jake_Kim



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koreadays wrote:
My questions are these..
First. Is it illegal to kill somali's? don't foreigners need some sort of permissions to murder people in other peoples countries?
I'm not saying the Somali government will try to prosecute the Korean navy, but are there rules?


The raid took place in international waters before the seized ship enter Somali territory, and the flag of convenience of the vessel was Maltese. If anyone has the right to complain, it should be Maltese government, not Somalis. Besides, UNCLOS article 105 gives every state the right to seize and arrest pirates on the high seas.
Even if it had entered Somali waters, Korea or any other stakeholder state can still go in in force, provided that UNSC passes a resolution for authorization.
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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koreadays wrote:
I'm not saying the Somali government will try to prosecute the Korean navy, but are there rules?


The Somali government? HAH! So, exactly how long have you been out of the loop?
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Koreadays



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CentralCali wrote:
Koreadays wrote:
I'm not saying the Somali government will try to prosecute the Korean navy, but are there rules?


The Somali government? HAH! So, exactly how long have you been out of the loop?


I heard there was no acting government.. so what the hell goes on there then hahahahaha MAD MAX BEYOND THUNDER DOME comes to mind...
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Junior



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koreadays wrote:
I don't know if you guys should try this every time, because the pirates might just start killing Koreans.


No. They won't want to escalate things.

Up til now the pirates have mostly treated their hostages well. Very well in fact- you're talking daily barbecues, cuban cigars and shipments of booze to those lucky enough to be caught.

If they start killing hostages then they will bring down a far greater military action upon themselves. The pirates are just dudes with homemade guns. They're absolutely no match for well-trained special forces. Which is why they've lost out in every confrontation.

They will want to keep the status quo. At present the international navies are too few and far between to have any impact on the overall scale of the operation.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

After years of Somalis/Yemenis/Afghans seizing Korean hostages and getting rewarded with millions of dollars, it is refreshing to see the South Koreans stand up and say, "Enough of being the door mat of the world!"

I had dinner tonight with lieutenants and captains in the ROK army. They were ecstatic. There is a new-found confidence in the Korean military officer corps that has not previously been there in my 8 years with them.

Yes, I know that it can be a mixed blessing. If the Norks pull another provocation, the South will certainly retaliate and that might trigger a mini-war or worse, but my reading of the situation is that South Korea has finally found the gumption to stop being kicked around.

필성!!! Very Happy
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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
Koreadays wrote:
I don't know if you guys should try this every time, because the pirates might just start killing Koreans.


No. They won't want to escalate things.


Looks like they're not just some guys looking for a few bucks:
Quote:
A Somali pirate shot the captain of the ship in the abdomen during the operation, but his condition is not life-threatening, Lee said, adding that he was immediately taken to a nearby hospital by a U.S. helicopter.


They tried to kill a hostage and the ROK Navy saved their victim.
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Russians like killing pirates, so they've stopped targeting Russian ships. There was an 'incident' last year where Russian commandos shot all the pirates execution style, after they took the ship. The French are pretty heavy handed too, also French ships are not targeted. I hope now SK has smarted up and this ends the ridiculous practice of Koreans paying these pirates off. Now if Canada would do the same.
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Louis VI



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jvalmer wrote:
Russians like killing pirates, so they've stopped targeting Russian ships. There was an 'incident' last year where Russian commandos shot all the pirates execution style, after they took the ship. The French are pretty heavy handed too, also French ships are not targeted.

Not to mention the Israelis.
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Sleepy in Seoul



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Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koreadays wrote:
My questions are these..
don't foreigners need some sort of permissions to murder people in other peoples countries?
I'm not saying the Somali government will try to prosecute the Korean navy, but are there rules?

What a strange question. Murder is, by definition, the unlawful killing of another. If you obtain permission, it is, therefore, not murder. The rules you are looking for are, you will find, those of English and correct word usage.
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hari seldon



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsWe_hN8Ew4

Last edited by hari seldon on Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:08 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like the Koreans got ahold of some of Getafix's magic potion and sent the pirates to Davy Jones' Locker. Shiver me Timbers.
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hari seldon



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:19 pm    Post subject: Tech, quick wits helped rescue ship Reply with quote

According to officials at the Ministry of National Defense, state-of-the-art monitoring systems helped military commanders in Seoul deliver swift commands to the rescuers. Navy special forces mobilized in the operation wore wireless video and audio recording systems - called Kaishot - on their helmets and could transmit real-time information about the pirates� moves to commanders in Seoul, the officials said...

Seok, the Samho Jewelry�s captain, also helped the operation by fooling the pirates, communicating with Korean commanders without their knowledge and slowing down the ship, the officials said.

Seok told the pirates that the ship had run out of food, and to make them believe it, he fasted for almost six days. He didn�t tell them where the food was stored.

�According to telephone records, the pirates said they were having difficulty because of hunger,� said a government official...

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2931378
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Junior



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:21 am    Post subject: Re: Tech, quick wits helped rescue ship Reply with quote

hari seldon wrote:
According to officials at the Ministry of National Defense, state-of-the-art monitoring systems helped military commanders in Seoul deliver swift commands to the rescuers.


This is still all over the news 24/7.

Korea has finally stood up for itself and they are revelling in it. This newfound feeling of assertiveness. Expect replays of it for the next year, with the odd re-run of World cup 2002 thrown in for good measure.
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