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marsavalanche



Joined: 27 Aug 2010
Location: where pretty lies perish

PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:36 pm    Post subject: 12,000 overtime rate Reply with quote

Currently looking a job, and the one thing I'm not cool with is the overtime. Has anyone ever been lowballed this hard?

My last contract was 18,000, which I thought was fair. What is the lowest one should accept in terms of overtime?

The last time I tried negotiating ONE thing in the contract, the employer rescinded the offer. Still, I won't compromise my ethics to rush towards a job that is going to still be there next week. Am I being too picky/stubborn?
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jrwhite82



Joined: 22 May 2010

PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear about your negotiating woes. Hopefully you are still gainfully employed while you are doing your job hunt and/or have the means to be selective.

If an employer wouldn't negotiate one thing on a contract, its probably better off that you won't work there because he sounds like a very controlling individual.

12,000W is low ball but is it worth passing on a good opportunity? How much overtime will you be doing realistically? I've worked 2 positions that have not offered any overtime hours. Although I would have been paid for them, we just never had any overtime to actually work.

The way I would calculate overtime is take your salary and divide it by the number of teaching hours. That is a reasonable rate. Say you are teaching 120 hours a month. And your salary is 2.2. That means you are getting 18,333W per hour. Why should you get paid less for doing extra work? If anything it should be more than your regular pay. If an employer doesn't see reason with that logic, than I question their ability to manage a business.
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marsavalanche



Joined: 27 Aug 2010
Location: where pretty lies perish

PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay this job says 40 40-50 min. classes per week (so 160 40-50 min. classes per month).

I'm not sure what formula you used to get 18,333W but from the sounds of it this job is quite dodgy, no? BTW this job is 2.3

Once again thanks for your help jrwhite.

Edit: Okay, I figured out the math and it comes out to 19,166W/hour.

Holy sh** if I'm getting 12,000W per hour it's CHEAPER to have me work extra. WoW!!!
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sulperman



Joined: 14 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marsavalanche wrote:
Okay this job says 40 40-50 min. classes per week (so 160 40-50 min. classes per month).



RUN!!!!!!!!
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marsavalanche



Joined: 27 Aug 2010
Location: where pretty lies perish

PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea my last job in the contract said 32 40 min. classes/week but in actuality it came about to about 25/week on average. I know I'll never get a hagwon job that was that chill, but 160 seems excessive.
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ssuprnova



Joined: 17 Dec 2010
Location: Saigon

PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sulperman wrote:
marsavalanche wrote:
Okay this job says 40 40-50 min. classes per week (so 160 40-50 min. classes per month).



RUN!!!!!!!!


This. 120 a month is a lot if you factor in prep and correcting essays. 160 is just suicide.
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tokkibunni8



Joined: 13 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

40? run,run,run!
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bobbybigfoot



Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fact that you are even considering this job is astounding. Something must be seriously wrong with you.
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Ice Tea



Joined: 23 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jesus people must be desperate out there. You can make $12/hr anywhere back home. Why go through all the nonsense of Korea for that much?
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of the people saying "there must be something wrong with you" are usually blonde americans who have an easy time of it.

Many posters giving advice do not realise how bad the job market actually is.They've had the luxury of sitting in the same job for a couple of years. And all they remember is that there were loadsa jobs around before, so they assume there must be now.

IceTea wrote:
You can make $12/hr anywhere back home.


Really? You're saying there are loads of jobs in the US? You just have to leave your front door and you get a $12 per hour job?

BobbyBigfoot wrote:
Something must be seriously wrong with you.

If he has had no other offers and cannot get a job at home...then I'd advise him to go for it.

Reality is..its the worst economic recession in 60 years. And desperate times call for desperate measures. Its called survival.
As far as Korea goes, the esl market is worsening month by month. I've heard of people out there working for 1.5 MW. Even North Americans.
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bobbybigfoot



Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
I've heard of people out there working for 1.5M now.


I find this hard to believe. Unless you are talking about Filipinos.
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