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mises
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 Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:22 pm Post subject: Irish Government Implodes |
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http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0121/1224288009631.html
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Even those who said they would go to hell and back for Cowen were a picture of misery
MELTDOWN. FRANTIC scenes in Leinster House yesterday. Stunned, utterly stunned, Fianna F�il Ministers and backbenchers rushed from the D�il chamber. They spilled across the landing outside, a noisy and chaotic mass of anger and confusion.
Little huddles formed. Anxious deputies rushed from one group to another, whispering urgently. Fear mixed with fury � you could almost touch it. They surrounded Miche�l Martin, the man who moved against Brian Cowen on Sunday. Brian Lenihan joined the ferment. Fevered representations began. In their distraction, the Fianna F�il parliamentary party couldn�t care less who saw them.
Astonished journalists crowded into the no-man�s land between that landing and the press gallery. They watched the unfolding drama from a few feet away. It was electrifying. Nobody went near the stricken politicians. For this was the moment when the party dropped all pretence of unity and cohesion. Discipline went out the window. Fianna F�il was disintegrating in front of our eyes. Some deputies appeared on the verge of tears. This was a very public implosion.
John McGuinness, long time critic of the Taoiseach, stood to one side, observing the scene. �I�ve read about those famous pivotal events in Leinster House history, occasions of huge drama that go down in history, and here was another. What was happening was sensational. I just wanted to stand back and observe,� he said.
Minutes earlier, they had listened with mounting despair as their Taoiseach sought to justify his crass attempt at a Cabinet reshuffle. They could not believe what they were hearing.
�We will go to the country with a strong front bench,� he bullishly told the D�il. The Opposition hooted in derision. His own colleagues, even those who once said they would go to hell and back for their Brian, were a picture of misery.
In the middle of it all, the Taoiseach announced the election date. Almost as an aside. |
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Irish-leader-Brian-Cowen-calls-an-election-for-March-11--114271734.html
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Irish Prime Minster Brian Cowen has called an Irish election for March 11th.
Speaking to a packed parliament, Cowen stated that he was reassigning six cabinet portfolios after six of his ministers resigned.
His comments ended a day of mounting chaos in the parliament as it became clear that the Green Party were preventing the Fianna Fail party from replacing the minsters who resigned .
Opposition leader Enda Kenny of Fine Gael said he was delighted there was finally an air of finality because of the naming of an election date.
Minister of State Conor Lenihan called for the Taoiseach�s resignation. Lenihan said that the developments over the past 24 hours meant that those who voted for a motion of confidence Cowen on Tuesday have now changed their minds. He urged senior ministers to act urgently.
The proceedings in Irish Parliament had been suspended as opposition leaders refused to move forward until Prime Minister Brian Cowen explained the six recent ministerial resignations.
Rumors of an impending collapse of the government and an immediate election were circulating as the Green Party met to decide whether they would withdraw support for the government.
Earlier today parliament was suspended after rowdy scenes. Opposition leader, Fine Gael�s Enda Kenny demanded that proceeding be suspended until Cowen could explain what was going on within the Government.
Kenny said �This is the worst government in history�This would not have happened even in the days of great dictators. It is unprecedented, what you have done.�
He continued �These are the last days of the worst government in the history of the state.� |
The new government will deal with a terrible situation. The state guaranteed the banks and accepted a bailout (for the banks). |
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rollo
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| Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:59 am Post subject: |
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| it could take two generations to make Ireland solvent again. Very very sad. Victim of the Euro. |
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Junior
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| Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:06 am Post subject: |
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| Victim of the Euro. |
More vindiction for the UK and the pound. |
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chellovek
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| Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:33 am Post subject: |
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"What are the two smallest books in the world? A: The book of Irish knowledge and the book of Italian bravery." The jibe is that the Irish are "the niggers of Europe."
The Celtic Tiger thing was just PR. Based on the popular jokes Irish people are n-worders with no education. No such country has ever got on well. |
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candyteacher
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| Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:03 am Post subject: |
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"What are the two smallest books in the world? A: The book of Irish knowledge and the book of Italian bravery." The jibe is that the Irish are "the niggers of Europe."
The Celtic Tiger thing was just PR. Based on the popular jokes Irish people are n-worders with no education. No such country has ever got on well. |
No quite sure what your getting at!! Are you actually making assumptions from rediculous jokes? Because based on jokes all blondes are stupid, Americans are fat and stupid and England is full of uppidy snobs!!
The Celtic tiger era was great people were making buckets of money, opportunities were everywhere and people were doing great but it was abused banks, developers, investors and the goverment got ahead of themselves and greed got the better. It came to a point where it was not ever going to be sustainable. The problem is now the ordinary person is paying for it. Ireland has a well educated and hard working workforce that has been horribly let down by a goverment of idiots.
Hopefully after these elections there may actually be some changes made. The goverment should be in chaos, they have f'ed up and need to take responsibility for it. |
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chellovek
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| Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:18 am Post subject: |
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| candyteacher wrote: |
| chellovek wrote: |
"What are the two smallest books in the world? A: The book of Irish knowledge and the book of Italian bravery." The jibe is that the Irish are "the niggers of Europe."
The Celtic Tiger thing was just PR. Based on the popular jokes Irish people are n-worders with no education. No such country has ever got on well. |
No quite sure what your getting at!! Are you actually making assumptions from rediculous jokes? Because based on jokes all blondes are stupid, Americans are fat and stupid and England is full of uppidy snobs!!
The Celtic tiger era was great people were making buckets of money, opportunities were everywhere and people were doing great but it was abused banks, developers, investors and the goverment got ahead of themselves and greed got the better. It came to a point where it was not ever going to be sustainable. The problem is now the ordinary person is paying for it. Ireland has a well educated and hard working workforce that has been horribly let down by a goverment of idiots.
Hopefully after these elections there may actually be some changes made. The goverment should be in chaos, they have f'ed up and need to take responsibility for it. |
No, I was just talking smack. I have close Irish family, I was trying to cast doubt on national stereotypes of any stripe, since I know Irish people like to cast themselves as having 'kissed the blarney stone.' Yanks like to cast themselves as heroes despite f-ing up whenever they're abroad, and Brits likes to pretend to be civlised whilst their people act like barbarians. The rest of the seven nations act as poorly.
Mainly I notice how many usernames give reference to a person's nationality or hometown even when it is completely irrelevant, the fact is we all seek to troop on and live well. |
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mises
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| Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:01 am Post subject: |
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| it could take two generations to make Ireland solvent again. Very very sad. Victim of the Euro. |
Yeah, I think you're right.
They could always default. That would be the appropriate course. Default and issue a sovereign currency. |
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Junior
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| Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:09 am Post subject: |
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| They could always default. That would be the appropriate course. Default and issue a sovereign currency. |
More likely their sovereignty will be suspended by Brussels- as happened with Greece. |
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blade
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| Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:14 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| rollo wrote: |
| it could take two generations to make Ireland solvent again. Very very sad. Victim of the Euro. |
Yeah, I think you're right.
They could always default. That would be the appropriate course. Default and issue a sovereign currency. |
I think the Euro will implode this year, without some series policy changes by the EU. |
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mises
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| Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:20 am Post subject: |
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| More likely their sovereignty will be suspended by Brussels- as happened with Greece. |
Yeah, that's true. The EU is not democratic.
The problems do not stop with Ireland or Greece. I strongly doubt the project can be kept together.
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| I think the Euro will implode this year, without some series policy changes by the EU. |
I'll be very surprised if anything happens this year, but it is possible.
IF the Irish can issue debt they can also issue a debt-free currency. Default and send a middle finger to the cabal of international bankers. |
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Junior
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| Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| IF the Irish can issue debt they can also issue a debt-free currency. Default and send a middle finger to the cabal of international bankers. |
I truly wish they would.
But I suspect that the aforementioned cabal of international bankers have recruited the relevant politicians to carry out their orders.
And will continue to do so no matter who gets elected. |
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mises
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| Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:29 am Post subject: |
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But I suspect that the aforementioned cabal of international bankers have recruited the relevant politicians to carry out their orders.
And will continue to do so no matter who gets elected. |
For once, you and I agree on something. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
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| Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:56 am Post subject: |
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| The amount of smugness that oozed out of the Irish I met in the 2000's was very memorable. They just reeked of new money. And it was all built on sand eh? Sorry, I've no sympathy. Whilst I am usually among the first and the loudest to blame the government for carpet bombing the economy with funny money, much of the blame also lies with an indulgent rabble. But certainly, the Eurozone is inappropriate for a single currency. Jesus, even Gordon Brown saw that. |
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goniff
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| Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:57 am Post subject: |
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well, I guess "Fianna Fail" well and truly failed
and the only thing that the country and people were a victim of was their own hubris |
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goniff
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It's too bad the Dutch and Irish can't switch countries...
the Dutch are really resourceful and hardworking - i mean after all they reclaimed a country from the sea and made it prosperous and successful
just imagine what they could do with the natural resorces available to them in eire
and if the irish went to take over holland they would probably all drown after the dykes had fallen into disrepair and stopped working |
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