Korean Job Discussion Forums

[Real Reality]

The starting annual salaries of Korean university professor?
1. 28,960,000 won instructor,
2. 34,630,000 won assistant professor,
3. 40,680,000 won associate professor, and
4. 48,940,000 won full professor
There can be additional pay ranging from 10,080,000 won to 25,000,000 won.
Required teaching hours: 9 hours per week

Does a foreign professor earn less than an Korean instructor?
Salary is 2.0- 2.5 million per month (24-30 million per year).
Required teaching hours: 18 hours per week Monday to Friday plus overtime.

[weatherman]

Hey where did you dig that info up? I do and I don't have a problem with my pay. I think I am paid fair for what I do, but it is when I start to look at what the local full time employees make in Korea, then I start to be very jaded. We all sign a contract, and that at least at my school is used as justification to not give you any of the little benefits that the Korean staff get, like holiday bonuses, the school's birthday off, access to cheap loans, etc..., being a contract employee, thay can say, hey you signed the contract, go read it, and it is true, I did sign the paper. But we all know how much Koreans really care about the letter of the law, so in some ways, that contract is used against us, so as we don't enter their system of doing things... like getting bonuses and othe little perks of the job.

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

[tokki]

9 hours teaching. Excuse me Real Reality, but of you think that a professor's main job at a Uni is to teach, then you are every bit the misinformed guy people accuse you of being. A professor at a Uni teaches as a side job to his real duties. Most of what a prof does, is research. It is research that brings in the big bucks to a University, and teaching takes a back seat to that. If you dont know this basic fact, I doubt whether you ever even attended University.

[phaedrus]

I imagine if you add housing your average foreign 'professor' would be making associate professor salary.

I think we are talking apples and oranges here. The average foreigner with their Masters does not compare to a Korean PhD. level academic as far as qualifications are concerned.

Besides, what use is a foreigner who can't speak Korean to a Korean university besides to teach English? Other than teaching English language the only thing you would be qualified for is teaching English literature, and that's only if you have your PhD. I imagine there would be some openings in history and international relations type stuff. I think you would have to be fairly distinguished.

At my university back home a lot of my language professors had no stunning qualifications, and probably were about as far from tenure track as you could get.

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

[Real Reality]

tokki wrote,
Most of what a prof does, is research.

A growing scandal is emerging among professors of science and engineering it was learned Thursday with many of them using others work to maintain their set science citation index. Professors must maintain a certain SCI in order not to be discriminated against with regard to promotion, personnel allocation and funding.

A professor of engineering said it was common for there to be up to ten co-authors on a paper, most of whom have had nothing to do with it. A Professor Jeong at "C" University published some 20 international and 30 domestic papers during last year alone, an average of around one a week, while a professor Kang at "D" University aged more than 50, concluded a secret agreement with a newly appointed professor to have his name added to papers in exchange for hiring him as opposed to other candidates. Last year, Professor Han at "E" University who had failed to be promoted managed to do so after his name was appended to his student's paper.
http://www.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200204/200204251020.html

Ghostwriters investigated: Firms selling graduate projects face charges
According to the prosecution's investigation, most of the fake theses passed examinations. The universities that administered those examinations reportedly included top universities in Seoul. "The customers gave minimal information to the ghostwriters, such as a title and table of contents, and the writers researched and found references," said prosecutor Park Seong-hoon.

A professor who was part of an examination committee that accepted several ghostwritten theses said, "The quality of the theses was poor, but I didn't want to disqualify them. I never knew they were written by others." The prosecution suspects that at least 30 illegal ghostwriting businesses are in operation.
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200303/17/200303170205221879900090409041.html

Korean Scientist Accused of Plagiarism
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/tech/200401/kt2004010417455311790.htm
Nature article
http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPage.taf?file=/nature/journal/v427/n6969/full/427003a_fs.html

[Real Reality]

weatherman wrote,
Hey where did you dig that info up?
that contract is used against us, so as we don't enter their system of doing things... like getting bonuses and othe little perks of the job.

I found it on the web.
Try here for general salary for professor
http://www.asiaweek.com/asiaweek/features/salaries/2000/popups/content/skor.html
Worth Repeating:
"contract is used against us"

[Medic]

Only the national universities require their professors to publish. They are the one's with the prestige, and what have you. The others don't give a shit wether you do or don't. Their paye is a litle bit lower, but not much.

[tokki]

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

[paperbag princess]

i know two people who are working at unis without master's degrees. how is this possible?

[Harpeau]

[Gollum]

Real Reality, what percentage of Koreans have the ability to become a professor in a University here? 1 in 10? 1 in 100,000? 1 in 500,000?

Furthermore, what percentage of foreigners with a four-year degree (yes, not even a Masters Degree) have the chance to work for a University here? 1 in 1?

Sometimes I think you are viewing yourself as being on an equal footing with people with much higher degrees than you, then complaining about it.

Maybe I'm wrong. Just an observation.

[phaedrus]