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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| Thus my use of the term sometimes. The odds may also increase in proportion to the level of insanity displayed by the boss. |
Possibly but the OP does not sound on the up and up here Cali. The more you read, the more it sounds like he just used the free flight to Korea to bounce to Japan.
Sorry but one day is proof of nothing and indicates basically nothing, especially if you are a new teacher that is tired, jet lagged and in culture shock.
This is not as clear as it seems.. |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Skyblue wrote: |
| That's rubbish. Your employer and you both have a responsibility to honor the terms of the contract and within that general framework display a modicum of flexibility and understanding. Midnight runners who only look out for themselves deserve the hagwon hellholes to which they're so often relegated. May Immigration tighten the rules even further. |
+1
I'm so sick of NETs thinking that it's okay for them to violate the contract because you "should do what's best for you", yet will throw a hissy fit if a Korean did the same. It's a two-way street folks. Before you get on your soapbox about how Koreans should honor the contract, you should be willing to do the same. |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Possibly but the OP does not sound on the up and up here Cali. The more you read, the more it sounds like he just used the free flight to Korea to bounce to Japan. |
The OP was asking for love motel recommendations next to the Japanese embassy and how to get a Japanese visa once in Korea. This was all before he set foot in Korea. I think it's pretty obvious what his intentions were. |
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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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| madoka wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Possibly but the OP does not sound on the up and up here Cali. The more you read, the more it sounds like he just used the free flight to Korea to bounce to Japan. |
The OP was asking for love motel recommendations next to the Japanese embassy and how to get a Japanese visa once in Korea. This was all before he set foot in Korea. I think it's pretty obvious what his intentions were. |
Why do you care what other people do? |
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ESL Milk "Everyday
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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| madoka wrote: |
| Skyblue wrote: |
| That's rubbish. Your employer and you both have a responsibility to honor the terms of the contract and within that general framework display a modicum of flexibility and understanding. Midnight runners who only look out for themselves deserve the hagwon hellholes to which they're so often relegated. May Immigration tighten the rules even further. |
+1
I'm so sick of NETs thinking that it's okay for them to violate the contract because you "should do what's best for you", yet will throw a hissy fit if a Korean did the same. It's a two-way street folks. Before you get on your soapbox about how Koreans should honor the contract, you should be willing to do the same. |
So basically, if a group of individuals with the same job think and act differently from each other, then they're all hypocrites because they're not Korean.
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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| ESL Milk "Everyday wrote: |
| So basically, if a group of individuals with the same job think and act differently from each other, then they're all hypocrites because they're not Korean. |
Looks like somebody needs to work on their reading comprehension skills. Consider it "professional development." |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Sorry but one day is proof of nothing and indicates basically nothing, especially if you are a new teacher that is tired, jet lagged and in culture shock. |
It could be, again depending on the level of insanity, and, of course, incompetency displayed by the boss.
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| This is not as clear as it seems.. |
This could be the case, also. |
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conrad2
Joined: 05 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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| madoka wrote: |
| Skyblue wrote: |
| That's rubbish. Your employer and you both have a responsibility to honor the terms of the contract and within that general framework display a modicum of flexibility and understanding. Midnight runners who only look out for themselves deserve the hagwon hellholes to which they're so often relegated. May Immigration tighten the rules even further. |
+1
I'm so sick of NETs thinking that it's okay for them to violate the contract because you "should do what's best for you", yet will throw a hissy fit if a Korean did the same. It's a two-way street folks. Before you get on your soapbox about how Koreans should honor the contract, you should be willing to do the same. |
Very few people would midnight run and they would give proper notice if Korean employers would pay all money owed at the end. Too many Korean employers try to keep that money, hence the need for people to midnight run. |
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lichtarbeiter
Joined: 15 Nov 2006
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| silkhighway wrote: |
| madoka wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Possibly but the OP does not sound on the up and up here Cali. The more you read, the more it sounds like he just used the free flight to Korea to bounce to Japan. |
The OP was asking for love motel recommendations next to the Japanese embassy and how to get a Japanese visa once in Korea. This was all before he set foot in Korea. I think it's pretty obvious what his intentions were. |
Why do you care what other people do? |
1) The OP is a essentially a thief and should be talked to just like one would talk to someone who broke into a car to steal money.
2) His actions contribute to giving NETs in Korea a bad name, and he did it just so he could save a little money for himself. I don't think it's unreasonable to resent that. |
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tomstar86
Joined: 09 May 2009
Location: Daegu, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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I just don't get why you didn't run at the weekend? Then your school would have had no clue you'd left and wouldn't have been able to threaten you until you were physically through immigration and out of Korea.
Major fail, man.
http://waegooktom.blogspot.com |
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CHUD
Joined: 31 Dec 2010
Location: KR
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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Just call his bluff... tell him "O.K., call INTERPOL."
I recently had a feisty older guy threaten me for illegal parking near my apartment. (I don't own a car here) I told him to call the cops. He did, and when he found out it wasn't mine, he scurried away with his tail between his legs. I would have handled it differently if he wasn't such an as&%(&#.
If you're going to leave anyway, have some huevos and call their bluff. |
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ESL Milk "Everyday
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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| madoka wrote: |
| Looks like somebody needs to work on their reading comprehension skills. Consider it "professional development." |
I've read enough of your posts to know exactly where you're coming from.
There are some real lowlifes working in the hagwon industry and I don't blame anyone for running. Even if you signed a contract, there's no way you should be expected to sacrifice a whole year of your life being exploited by someone who will probably do whatever he can to avoid paying you after he's gotten what he wants.
Sometimes you can just tell... I knew with my last hagwon boss but I still kept going and trying to soldier on like an idiot until eventually one of my students told me that I was fired. Of course, I'm also still supposed to keep working for him until he can find my replacement.
So yeah, these aren't reasonable human beings we're talking about-- they are scum... and the hagwon industry is teeming with them, so if the OP says he was a dodgy boss, then there's a good chance that he was a dodgy boss.
If this was a scheme on the OPs part from the beginning, (and there's nothing posted here or otherwise to show that it is), then that sucks... but at the same time, chances are the hagwon owner still had it coming. She mentions that she got the job by interacting with the school directly-- which is never a good idea.
If these hagwon owners don't want teachers to run then they should learn how to treat people fairly and not do lousy things like lie in order to get us here and then hit us with 10 hour work days, racism, children who know they can do whatever they want because you get no support, etc. |
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murmanjake
Joined: 21 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:07 am Post subject: |
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| ESL Milk "Everyday wrote: |
| madoka wrote: |
| Looks like somebody needs to work on their reading comprehension skills. Consider it "professional development." |
I've read enough of your posts to know exactly where you're coming from.
There are some real lowlifes working in the hagwon industry and I don't blame anyone for running. Even if you signed a contract, there's no way you should be expected to sacrifice a whole year of your life being exploited by someone who will probably do whatever he can to avoid paying you after he's gotten what he wants.
Sometimes you can just tell... I knew with my last hagwon boss but I still kept going and trying to soldier on like an idiot until eventually one of my students told me that I was fired. Of course, I'm also still supposed to keep working for him until he can find my replacement.
So yeah, these aren't reasonable human beings we're talking about-- they are scum... and the hagwon industry is teeming with them, so if the OP says he was a dodgy boss, then there's a good chance that he was a dodgy boss.
If this was a scheme on the OPs part from the beginning, (and there's nothing posted here or otherwise to show that it is), then that sucks... but at the same time, chances are the hagwon owner still had it coming. She mentions that she got the job by interacting with the school directly-- which is never a good idea.
If these hagwon owners don't want teachers to run then they should learn how to treat people fairly and not do lousy things like lie in order to get us here and then hit us with 10 hour work days, racism, children who know they can do whatever they want because you get no support, etc. |
Tanklor posted this earlier:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=197744
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| Has anyone teaching in Korea tried to get a visa processed for Japan at the Japanese embassy in Seoul? I just spoke to my home consulate in the US, and they informed me that my visa application may not be accepted there because I am American. I'll have my COE, the completed visa application (in English-will that be a problem?), a passport photo, and a copy of the contract. Should I bring anything else? I'm not in Korea at the moment so actually calling the embassy is very expensive.... |
The OP was asking about getting a Work Visa for Japan before he even arrived in Korea. Cheap-ass couldn't even afford to call the embassy himself.
There is nothing ambiguous about his intentions upon entering this contract.
His case warrants a discussion on the ethics of employees more than one on the unscrupulousness of employers. |
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ESL Milk "Everyday
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:24 am Post subject: |
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Okay I missed that.
Yep, that's dodgy... you're a thief, OP, and I hope they do catch you.
Also, I think the OP is a girl... so all this stuff about growing nads and such doesn't really apply. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:25 am Post subject: |
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| Perhaps if more schools considered the teacher that has to travel thousands of miles to get here, live within such an alien culture and work for employers who believe that they can pull anything with impunity, then maybe more teachers would be willing to give it a shot. I am sure that there are many midnight runs done everyday here in Korea and they will undoubtedly continue in the future. |
Most Koreans never get to hear this angle. They generally think its all too easy for foreigners to come here and get paid loads just for talking in their own language. When you have such a one-sided view prevailing, its no surprise that hogwon owners consider it a patriotic act of vengeance to rip off as many foreign employees as possible.
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| I left after 3 days(easy back then. |
yeah its not so simple now. Everytime you quit you suddenly have to get 101 documents all over again. |
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