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chellovek
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| Madigan wrote: |
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| I'm not proud, either in the sense of patriotism or nationalism. However, I would say I've learned to appreciate England in a way a few years ago in a way I didn't before I came here. More in the sense that Koreans tend to say us foreigners have to understand and adapt to their culture, which is fine in my opinion. However it has teneded to push me into the niche of being an Englishman in the eyes of Koreans, and as such I've come to know and appreciate my own nationality more deeply. I despise the gov't but on the whole I don't think England is so bad. That is to say, I know I'm not Korean. I am English and it is my heritage and I behave in a way influenced by that culture. I like Korea and the culture but I also have no wish to be Korean because I was raised British and that is the main influence on my behaviour and weltanschauung. |
You know, if I didn't know better, it would almost seem as if you're becoming more American everyday. |
Hahaha! Enough of the insults!  |
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v88
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| Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm rarely proud of thing I had no hand in. |
Could not have been put better. |
So then if one is a participant, only then does one have the right to be proud?
Then I challenge anyone in this thread to tell me why Tunisians shouldn't be proud right now.
But then again, maybe you ex-pats shouldn't be proud of your countries. You've left it. You're no longer participants. You've opted out. Perhaps your opinions are absolutely eloquent and reasoned expressions of your position and station. |
Well if you participated, you contributed and then as a result you have a right to feel proud about what you accomplished or contributed to.
Pretty darn simple.
Feeling proud about your country as a wide ranging concept is not something I subscribe to. I had nothing to do with how Canada became a nation, I had nothing to do with how Civil Rights were acquired. |
Yeah, okay. Do you pay taxes? Do you vote?
What about pride in your community? Pride in your state/province?
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| If you're 'proud' that your nation has put a man on the moon, you should be equally be ashamed of the My Lai Massacre. |
Sure. Just as long as we don't get carried away with the pride or the shame, and keep it reasonable. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:25 am Post subject: |
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| If you're not proud of your country, I don't believe you. |
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Captain Corea
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Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| We 'Westerners' typically don't feel that we are part of something larger than ourselves. We have an atomised consciousness. I wouldn't encourage an artificial patriotism, but things like "I'm not proud of things I haven't done" both miss the point and are just rationalisations of a spiritual fait accompli. |
So, what is the point of being proud of your country? |
It feels good and right to be so. |
From the looks of this thread, not everyone feels that way. |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:02 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, okay. Do you pay taxes? Do you vote?
What about pride in your community? Pride in your state/province? |
I vote and pay taxes...what does that have to do with being proud of my country-state-country?
Pride in my community?
If you mean my city or neighborhood, well sure pride related to what I contributed to and participated in. No pride would be derived from unrelated achievements however. |
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Koveras
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| We 'Westerners' typically don't feel that we are part of something larger than ourselves. We have an atomised consciousness. I wouldn't encourage an artificial patriotism, but things like "I'm not proud of things I haven't done" both miss the point and are just rationalisations of a spiritual fait accompli. |
So, what is the point of being proud of your country? |
It feels good and right to be so. |
From the looks of this thread, not everyone feels that way. |
Of course. My original post was seeking to explain that. Kuros got it. Can't you? |
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v88
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I find it strange to feel pride about being from a certain place. I feel very lucky to be from the country I came from and I'm glad that I'm not from a country that has done anything really really bad on the global scene, but being prideful of being from it seems to be too close to what North Koreans feel....brainwashed. I wouldn't feel ashamed to be from a bad country either.
I was just born there and was lucky enough to be able to play a role in making it a good place...which makes me feel proud.
I'm proud to have served my country.
I'm proud to have volunteered with many great people who live in my country.
I'm proud to have worked at making it better.
I'm proud to have explored the great regions of my homeland.
I'm also proud of what I've done in other countries and found parts to love about them as well. I've also become far more aware of how lucky I am to be from the place I'm from and just what a great country it is....but still not really proud to be from it.
Proud of myself. Proud of my country. Lucky to be from a place like that! |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| chellovek wrote: |
| I'm not proud, either in the sense of patriotism or nationalism. However, I would say I've learned to appreciate England in a way a few years ago in a way I didn't before I came here. More in the sense that Koreans tend to say us foreigners have to understand and adapt to their culture, which is fine in my opinion. However it has teneded to push me into the niche of being an Englishman in the eyes of Koreans, and as such I've come to know and appreciate my own nationality more deeply. I despise the gov't but on the whole I don't think England is so bad. That is to say, I know I'm not Korean. I am English and it is my heritage and I behave in a way influenced by that culture. I like Korea and the culture but I also have no wish to be Korean because I was raised British and that is the main influence on my behaviour and weltanschauung. |
Korea does a particularly poor job of Koreanizing foreigners. They're great hosts, but the sense is always that you are a guest, unless you actually marry a Korean. But the Korean perspective is so bound by blood: witness the abuse of gyopos when they fail to speak perfect Korean. |
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