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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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 Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 1:16 am Post subject: |
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| ESL Milk "Everyday wrote: |
| madoka wrote: |
| Looks like somebody needs to work on their reading comprehension skills. Consider it "professional development." |
I've read enough of your posts to know exactly where you're coming from.
There are some real lowlifes working in the hagwon industry and I don't blame anyone for running. Even if you signed a contract, there's no way you should be expected to sacrifice a whole year of your life being exploited by someone who will probably do whatever he can to avoid paying you after he's gotten what he wants.
Sometimes you can just tell... I knew with my last hagwon boss but I still kept going and trying to soldier on like an idiot until eventually one of my students told me that I was fired. Of course, I'm also still supposed to keep working for him until he can find my replacement.
So yeah, these aren't reasonable human beings we're talking about-- they are scum... and the hagwon industry is teeming with them, so if the OP says he was a dodgy boss, then there's a good chance that he was a dodgy boss.
If this was a scheme on the OPs part from the beginning, (and there's nothing posted here or otherwise to show that it is), then that sucks... but at the same time, chances are the hagwon owner still had it coming. She mentions that she got the job by interacting with the school directly-- which is never a good idea.
If these hagwon owners don't want teachers to run then they should learn how to treat people fairly and not do lousy things like lie in order to get us here and then hit us with 10 hour work days, racism, children who know they can do whatever they want because you get no support, etc. |
Tanklor posted this earlier:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=197744
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| Has anyone teaching in Korea tried to get a visa processed for Japan at the Japanese embassy in Seoul? I just spoke to my home consulate in the US, and they informed me that my visa application may not be accepted there because I am American. I'll have my COE, the completed visa application (in English-will that be a problem?), a passport photo, and a copy of the contract. Should I bring anything else? I'm not in Korea at the moment so actually calling the embassy is very expensive.... |
The OP was asking about getting a Work Visa for Japan before he even arrived in Korea. Cheap-ass couldn't even afford to call the embassy himself.
There is nothing ambiguous about his intentions upon entering this contract.
His case warrants a discussion on the ethics of employees more than one on the unscrupulousness of employers. |
If this is true, then yes OP, you are scum. You have committed an act of fraud, intentionally and premeditated fraud. True, you haven't been arrested and your boss is probably unaware of the proof being posted here on Dave's that would allow him to have you arrested. So, you are not yet a convicted criminal. However your ethics indicate that someday you likely will be.
You can prove us wrong. Repay your boss for the airfare and other out-of-pocket costs he incurred.
Every time some foreign teacher like this comes and cheats the system, we all suffer. Most schools no longer prepay airfare because of scum who run. Very soon the system will change and instead of reimbursing airfare, the schools will only repay airfare after 6 months, or not at all.
It's been a long battle to get schools to be more honest with teachers, we don't need this kind of teacher to prove that teachers are worse than the schools. |
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marsavalanche
Joined: 27 Aug 2010
Location: where pretty lies perish
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 1:28 am Post subject: |
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I can't stand people in this thread saying "OP should do whats best for them"
It's crap like this that is going to worsen the conditions for all of us, inevitably. |
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TheresaTheresa
Joined: 24 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:14 am Post subject: |
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| ESL Milk "Everyday wrote: |
| madoka wrote: |
| Looks like somebody needs to work on their reading comprehension skills. Consider it "professional development." |
I've read enough of your posts to know exactly where you're coming from.
There are some real lowlifes working in the hagwon industry and I don't blame anyone for running. Even if you signed a contract, there's no way you should be expected to sacrifice a whole year of your life being exploited by someone who will probably do whatever he can to avoid paying you after he's gotten what he wants.
Sometimes you can just tell... I knew with my last hagwon boss but I still kept going and trying to soldier on like an idiot until eventually one of my students told me that I was fired. Of course, I'm also still supposed to keep working for him until he can find my replacement.
So yeah, these aren't reasonable human beings we're talking about-- they are scum... and the hagwon industry is teeming with them, so if the OP says he was a dodgy boss, then there's a good chance that he was a dodgy boss.
If this was a scheme on the OPs part from the beginning, (and there's nothing posted here or otherwise to show that it is), then that sucks... but at the same time, chances are the hagwon owner still had it coming. She mentions that she got the job by interacting with the school directly-- which is never a good idea.
If these hagwon owners don't want teachers to run then they should learn how to treat people fairly and not do lousy things like lie in order to get us here and then hit us with 10 hour work days, racism, children who know they can do whatever they want because you get no support, etc. |
ITA re the bold.
Perhaps the Japanese visa angle the OP was pursuing was his backup plan. No one goes to teach in Korea without a backup in case things go wrong. |
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murmanjake
Joined: 21 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:07 am Post subject: |
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| TheresaTheresa wrote: |
| ESL Milk "Everyday wrote: |
| madoka wrote: |
| Looks like somebody needs to work on their reading comprehension skills. Consider it "professional development." |
I've read enough of your posts to know exactly where you're coming from.
There are some real lowlifes working in the hagwon industry and I don't blame anyone for running. Even if you signed a contract, there's no way you should be expected to sacrifice a whole year of your life being exploited by someone who will probably do whatever he can to avoid paying you after he's gotten what he wants.
Sometimes you can just tell... I knew with my last hagwon boss but I still kept going and trying to soldier on like an idiot until eventually one of my students told me that I was fired. Of course, I'm also still supposed to keep working for him until he can find my replacement.
So yeah, these aren't reasonable human beings we're talking about-- they are scum... and the hagwon industry is teeming with them, so if the OP says he was a dodgy boss, then there's a good chance that he was a dodgy boss.
If this was a scheme on the OPs part from the beginning, (and there's nothing posted here or otherwise to show that it is), then that sucks... but at the same time, chances are the hagwon owner still had it coming. She mentions that she got the job by interacting with the school directly-- which is never a good idea.
If these hagwon owners don't want teachers to run then they should learn how to treat people fairly and not do lousy things like lie in order to get us here and then hit us with 10 hour work days, racism, children who know they can do whatever they want because you get no support, etc. |
ITA re the bold.
Perhaps the Japanese visa angle the OP was pursuing was his backup plan. No one goes to teach in Korea without a backup in case things go wrong. |
So what if it was? In that case he would have been lying about his intentions to the Japanese employer.
Say he miraculously found his Korean employer to be kind, generous, and loyal to the contract and decided to stay. The Japanese employer would have been left high and dry, and would now have to go through the same rigamarole and expense of finding a new teacher on short notice as his current Korean employer is going through right now.
The OP does not deserve our understanding, or our sympathy. He manipulated the system in a way that most would consider unethical, and then lied about his intentions on this board. And many have fallen for it hook line and sinker.
This has NOTHING to do with the "possible" unscrupulousness of a Korean employer. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:11 am Post subject: |
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imoscardotcom
Joined: 01 Sep 2010
Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 3:53 pm Post subject: Visa Issue
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Has anyone teaching in Korea tried to get a visa processed for Japan at the Japanese embassy in Seoul? I just spoke to my home consulate in the US, and they informed me that my visa application may not be accepted there because I am American. I'll have my COE, the completed visa application (in English-will that be a problem?), a passport photo, and a copy of the contract. Should I bring anything else? I'm not in Korea at the moment so actually calling the embassy is very expensive.... |
The OP was planning this before ever coming to Korea. It wasn't a backup plan. It was a plan to defraud a school. The OP should be arrested and charged. |
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TheresaTheresa
Joined: 24 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:21 am Post subject: |
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| murmanjake wrote: |
| TheresaTheresa wrote: |
| ESL Milk "Everyday wrote: |
| madoka wrote: |
| Looks like somebody needs to work on their reading comprehension skills. Consider it "professional development." |
I've read enough of your posts to know exactly where you're coming from.
There are some real lowlifes working in the hagwon industry and I don't blame anyone for running. Even if you signed a contract, there's no way you should be expected to sacrifice a whole year of your life being exploited by someone who will probably do whatever he can to avoid paying you after he's gotten what he wants.
Sometimes you can just tell... I knew with my last hagwon boss but I still kept going and trying to soldier on like an idiot until eventually one of my students told me that I was fired. Of course, I'm also still supposed to keep working for him until he can find my replacement.
So yeah, these aren't reasonable human beings we're talking about-- they are scum... and the hagwon industry is teeming with them, so if the OP says he was a dodgy boss, then there's a good chance that he was a dodgy boss.
If this was a scheme on the OPs part from the beginning, (and there's nothing posted here or otherwise to show that it is), then that sucks... but at the same time, chances are the hagwon owner still had it coming. She mentions that she got the job by interacting with the school directly-- which is never a good idea.
If these hagwon owners don't want teachers to run then they should learn how to treat people fairly and not do lousy things like lie in order to get us here and then hit us with 10 hour work days, racism, children who know they can do whatever they want because you get no support, etc. |
ITA re the bold.
Perhaps the Japanese visa angle the OP was pursuing was his backup plan. No one goes to teach in Korea without a backup in case things go wrong. |
So what if it was? In that case he would have been lying about his intentions to the Japanese employer.
Say he miraculously found his Korean employer to be kind, generous, and loyal to the contract and decided to stay. The Japanese employer would have been left high and dry, and would now have to go through the same rigamarole and expense of finding a new teacher on short notice as his current Korean employer is going through right now.
The OP does not deserve our understanding, or our sympathy. He manipulated the system in a way that most would consider unethical, and then lied about his intentions on this board. And many have fallen for it hook line and sinker.
This has NOTHING to do with the "possible" unscrupulousness of a Korean employer. |
Fair enough. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:15 am Post subject: |
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This is becoming crystal clear: the OP defrauded his Korean employer by using the provided airfare.
The "my job is horrible" excuse was a complete fabrication as previous posts show the OP prepared the Japan move BEFORE arriving by asking about the time it takes to get a visa to Japan and about accomodations near the Japanese Embassy-consulate.
One can only hope the OP gets busted but I agree with others who say this attitude of his indicates a lack of ethics. I feel sorry for his students, whomever they may be, already. |
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marina_ballerina
Joined: 19 Jul 2009
Location: Nowon, S. Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:27 am Post subject: |
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| How did this discussion get from "will a person be detained for pulling a runner?" to "is the op a good person"? |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:34 am Post subject: |
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| How did this discussion get from "will a person be detained for pulling a runner?" to "is the op a good person"? |
Simple, as the thread developed, it became clear the OP was a not on the up and up about his runner and that his motives were less than pure. In fact, his posting history showed him to have planned this and that he was just worried his plan (which included defrauding an employer out of airfare) would hit a snag at immigration if he was stopped for stealing money from an employer.
Now, I do not know what book you use, but I would think that in most people's books this makes someone a bad person.
Still good question marina.  |
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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada
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I don't see what the big deal is. His boss will report him to immigration and he won't be able to ever get an E2 in Korea again without explaining himself. Was it a smooth thing to do? Absolutely not, but it's done.
People are taking this way too personally. |
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TheresaTheresa
Joined: 24 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:42 am Post subject: |
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I don't see what the big deal is. His boss will report him to immigration and he won't be able to ever get an E2 in Korea again without explaining himself. Was it a smooth thing to do? Absolutely not, but it's done.
People are taking this way too personally. |
True. |
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