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InDaGu
Joined: 28 Jun 2010 Location: Cebu City, Philippines
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:56 am Post subject: Mock Class at a Job Interview? |
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I interviewed for a new job the other day, and things were going great. Then, out of the blue, they hand me a text book and ask me to do a 5 minute demonstration of a class over the material. Keep in mind, I've never seen this book and it's a different age group than what I've been teaching.
I don't think this part of the interview went so well, because I tend to get uncomfortable speaking in front of adults (I had to do this in front of 3 interviewers). But the rest of the interview was really positive. Has anyone else been asked to do this? |
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marsavalanche

Joined: 27 Aug 2010 Location: where pretty lies perish
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:23 am Post subject: Re: Mock Class at a Job Interview? |
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InDaGu wrote: |
I interviewed for a new job the other day, and things were going great. Then, out of the blue, they hand me a text book and ask me to do a 5 minute demonstration of a class over the material. Keep in mind, I've never seen this book and it's a different age group than what I've been teaching.
I don't think this part of the interview went so well, because I tend to get uncomfortable speaking in front of adults (I had to do this in front of 3 interviewers). But the rest of the interview was really positive. Has anyone else been asked to do this? |
You don't feel comfortable speaking in front of adults?
You couldn't even do this in front of 3 people? WOW.
And you want to be an English teacher in South Korea? Sorry but if you couldn't do a mock class in front of your interviewers someone else deserves that job.
I had to do a mock class in front of students + the entire board at one interview. For about 15 minutes, not 5. Step up your game, that's the only advice I can offer. |
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InDaGu
Joined: 28 Jun 2010 Location: Cebu City, Philippines
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:27 am Post subject: Re: Mock Class at a Job Interview? |
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marsavalanche wrote: |
InDaGu wrote: |
I interviewed for a new job the other day, and things were going great. Then, out of the blue, they hand me a text book and ask me to do a 5 minute demonstration of a class over the material. Keep in mind, I've never seen this book and it's a different age group than what I've been teaching.
I don't think this part of the interview went so well, because I tend to get uncomfortable speaking in front of adults (I had to do this in front of 3 interviewers). But the rest of the interview was really positive. Has anyone else been asked to do this? |
You don't feel comfortable speaking in front of adults?
You couldn't even do this in front of 3 people? WOW.
And you want to be an English teacher in South Korea? Sorry but if you couldn't do a mock class in front of your interviewers someone else deserves that job.
I had to do a mock class in front of students + the entire board at one interview. For about 15 minutes, not 5. Step up your game, that's the only advice I can offer. |
I have been a teacher (with quite good references) in Korea for 3 years. But I teach children, not adults. Public speaking has always been an issue for me, but it's never bothered me with children.
The point of the post is that I thought is was strange to be asked to do a mock class over material I've never seen before, with no warning. |
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marsavalanche

Joined: 27 Aug 2010 Location: where pretty lies perish
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:32 am Post subject: |
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I'm surprised you've been a teacher for 3 years and you've never been asked to do a mock class. You are trying to be a teacher, of COURSE doing a mock class would be considered fair game. The reason why it doesn't come up as often is because most of those jobs you've been interviewing for are typical Korean positions that just care more about your personal habits/looks than your qualifications as a teacher. That was probably a legit job you interviewed at, hopefully you did well. |
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jrwhite82

Joined: 22 May 2010
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:40 am Post subject: |
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Freezing up in front of others when forced to speak without notice does not reflect poorly on your ability to teach. It reflects poorly on your ability to be a public speaker. Now public speaking is important to being a good teacher (for lecturing) but they are not the same thing.
My mentor teacher in my MA program would literally sweat bullets and stumble over his words when he had to present things to other adults, but in front of the kids, he was unmatched in teaching and speaking ability. So go figure.
An important part of being a good teacher is prep work. So you could have tried to spin your negative into a positive and taken a minute to talk about how you usually prepare for classes and what goes into your prep work. And how this will not really reflect your best because you won't get a chance to prep.
Don't sweat it. But if you have to do it again in the future, mentally prepare yourself before the interview. Try to think what they want you to do in a 5 minute demo. They want to hear you speak. (Slow and clear) They want to see you move around the room. (Don't stand in front with your hands in your pockets). They want to see you write some notes on the board. They want to see you "manage" a pretend class.
If I had to do a spur of the moment lesson I would start by writing the objective on the board. Explain the activity for 30 seconds. Teach them the content for a minute or two. Have them practice with each other for 2 or 3 minutes. Then test them on what they learned. 5 minutes over. This could be good for you too, because for 3 minutes they are watching you interact one on one as you go around correcting mistakes as opposed to having to speak for 3 minutes which is not your strength. |
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TECO

Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:50 am Post subject: Re: Mock Class at a Job Interview? |
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marsavalanche wrote: |
Step up your game, that's the only advice I can offer. |
Yeah, you had it tough. But can you be more specific in regards to how you prepared and what you did in class? |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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You don't feel comfortable speaking in front of adults?
You couldn't even do this in front of 3 people? WOW.
And you want to be an English teacher in South Korea? Sorry but if you couldn't do a mock class in front of your interviewers someone else deserves that job.
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That's ridiculous. As others have said, teaching has everything to do with preparation and knowing about your students. This sounds like a gimicky stunt thought up by amateurs who don't know how to conduct a proper interview. If they made a teaching qualification with observed lessons part of the criteria for applying for the job in the first place they wouldn't have to come up with lame requests like this one to get the right person. |
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languistic
Joined: 25 Nov 2009
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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The tough part was that you had no warning. As for not feeling comfortable speaking in front of adults, well, that is your problem and one that needs to be overcome if you expect to work at a uni. I mean, these are not children you will be teaching; many 4th year males are already 24 ~ 26 years old (not adults maybe, but certainly not kids).
Most uni positions have a mock class / teaching demo, but again, interviewees are typically told about this in advance and are free to bring in whatever material they want to teach. I guess they wanted to see how you react to a stressful situation and think on your feet. Tough, but I don't think it was to see you teach so much as to gauge other aspects of your personality. |
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thegadfly

Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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While I agree that prep work is important, I have seen good teachers that do minimal prep, and have seen bad teachers that do a massive amount of prep...so preparation is one thing, but not everything....
A good teacher is flexible and adaptable to many situations. A good teacher can "think on his/her feet." A good teacher has a bag of tricks -- previous lessons that have gone well, that can be adapted and shaped on the fly to fit a new or unexpected situation. A good teacher is willing and able to "go off-script" when a teachable moment arises. A good teacher will abandon a lesson plan when it isn't working, and will come up with something new on the spot.
A five-minute lesson with no time to prep is not the optimal test of these things, but it IS a test of some of these things, and as such, I think it is valid. My problem with it is that 5 minutes is far too short to teach much of anything -- as another poster mentioned, 15 minutes would be more appropriate.
As was mentioned, this part of the interview was probably NOT actually to gauge your teaching ability, but to gauge other aspects of your personality -- aspects that can be very important in a teaching position, and so the test is fair and valid. |
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InDaGu
Joined: 28 Jun 2010 Location: Cebu City, Philippines
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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languistic wrote: |
The tough part was that you had no warning. As for not feeling comfortable speaking in front of adults, well, that is your problem and one that needs to be overcome if you expect to work at a uni. I mean, these are not children you will be teaching; many 4th year males are already 24 ~ 26 years old (not adults maybe, but certainly not kids).
Most uni positions have a mock class / teaching demo, but again, interviewees are typically told about this in advance and are free to bring in whatever material they want to teach. I guess they wanted to see how you react to a stressful situation and think on your feet. Tough, but I don't think it was to see you teach so much as to gauge other aspects of your personality. |
When did I say this was a uni job? This was an interview for a job with elementary students. I have no interest in ever teaching uni for the reasons mentioned above. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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Having to teach a five minute lesson based on a page from a text book that a teacher has never seen before with no time for preparation is not something a teacher would ever have to do in real life in a well run organisation. Yes of course a good teacher has to think on their feet, go off the plan and all that stuff... but if you just want to test those things you might as well just ask the candidate to tell you a joke or sing a song for all the relevance to real teaching it has. That's why I think it gives an amateurish impression of the people setting the task. Like they've just grabbed the nearest book slung it at the teacher and said teach that. |
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bobbybigfoot
Joined: 05 May 2007 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:28 pm Post subject: Re: Mock Class at a Job Interview? |
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marsavalanche wrote: |
You don't feel comfortable speaking in front of adults?
You couldn't even do this in front of 3 people? WOW.
And you want to be an English teacher in South Korea? Sorry but if you couldn't do a mock class in front of your interviewers someone else deserves that job.
I had to do a mock class in front of students + the entire board at one interview. For about 15 minutes, not 5. Step up your game, that's the only advice I can offer. |
Get off your high horse. |
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bobbybigfoot
Joined: 05 May 2007 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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marsavalanche wrote: |
I'm surprised you've been a teacher for 3 years and you've never been asked to do a mock class. |
3.5 years in and I've never done a mock class. I've only been observed a handful of times. And only once by a manager and he was a passing-through manager and I'm not even sure he passed on the information. Told me he was too busy to write me up an evaluation. Alot of schools don't really care what you do so long as you don't get complaints. This has been my experience anyhow. Most of the time evaluations are done by a "head teacher" -- a "chosen one" who follows a template and doesn't even have the credentials to offer feedback in the first place.
And alot of us are given the books/teaching formula, but are never shown how to actually teach a class properly. You just bumble your way through it until one day you've "arrived" (if ever).
Let this post be a valuable reminder to those of us out there on autopilot. Sure we have the skills to make it in our current job, but do we have what it takes to make it in the "real world" (non-joke ESL industry)? |
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bamboozler
Joined: 18 Jan 2011
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:51 pm Post subject: Re: Mock Class at a Job Interview? |
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[quote="marsavalanche"]
InDaGu wrote: |
You don't feel comfortable speaking in front of adults?
You couldn't even do this in front of 3 people? WOW.
And you want to be an English teacher in South Korea? Sorry but if you couldn't do a mock class in front of your interviewers someone else deserves that job.
I had to do a mock class in front of students + the entire board at one interview. For about 15 minutes, not 5. Step up your game, that's the only advice I can offer. |
Seconded, you sound like a baby and a girl.
Grow a pair and suck it up.
Keep your ear to the grindstone! |
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thegadfly

Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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edwardcatflap wrote: |
Having to teach a five minute lesson based on a page from a text book that a teacher has never seen before with no time for preparation is not something a teacher would ever have to do in real life in a well run organisation. Yes of course a good teacher has to think on their feet, go off the plan and all that stuff... but if you just want to test those things you might as well just ask the candidate to tell you a joke or sing a song for all the relevance to real teaching it has. That's why I think it gives an amateurish impression of the people setting the task. Like they've just grabbed the nearest book slung it at the teacher and said teach that. |
A five minute lesson, though? Five minutes? They weren't asking for a complete lesson, just five minutes worth of work from the book...you could start and be told "ok, thank you, that is enough" while still going on about something....
I give my students a two-minute impromptu speaking exercise -- "talk about penguins -- GO!" They talk for two minutes, in front of a class of their peers, about something they have had LITERALLY no time to think about, in a language that is foreign to them, and they do pretty well.
Five minutes from a teacher, with a book to look at, about something he or she has studied in the past and has spoken about, at length, on many occasions? That should be a total non-issue! The fact that a person could NOT do it would tell me loads about that person's inability to teach.
If you know nothing about your students, the goals or outcomes of a particular unit, the standards and benchmarks that must be met by the end of the year, the strengths or weaknesses that you are trying to address, and the other strategies that have worked or not worked with those students in the recent past -- if you have none of this information, then you have nearly no prep. Your prep consists of looking at the material you plan to present, and figuring out ways to GET all the information you are lacking...every year STARTS the same way -- assessing the students' abilities and needs...and this assessment always starts in a vacuum.
Teaching a five minute lesson from a standing start is not enough to judge a teacher's knowledge of the subject matter, but it IS enough to judge many of the core teaching skills. You know, cooking an egg is a basic skill test given to chef candidates -- if you can't cook an egg properly, you don't have a solid skillset.
If you can't pick up ANY book and teach a lesson for 5 minutes about it, you don't have a solid skillset as a teacher. Your teaching, without the prep, would suffer, of course, but I think the whole point of the exercise is to see the "worst case scenario" -- what will we end up with if this person never preps.
Again, a fair enough test, especially in Korea, where we often hear of people regularly doing just what was asked -- walk into class, pick up a book, and "teach" from it. |
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