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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada
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| For some its the ability to work in a position which in any other country they would not be qualified to be serving at. Without a masters or a PhD in most places outside of Korea one could not work at such a place. But in many universities since jobs are filled in country and since most are low paid one only needs a bachelors |
I'm sure teaching at a university in Korea is an easy lifestyle, but easy jobs mean easy complacency, and anyone in that position should really be looking at how it will serve them in the long term.
I've met a lot of teachers in Korea who think University experience looks better than public school/hagwon experience and I'm not sure that's really the case. Lecturing in Canada is not a very well paid job and is usually done by Masters/PhD candidates as part of their bursury requirements. |
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edwardcatflap
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| I am completely not involved with self improvement etc in my current job. I am working on something else that is far more important to me and I am lucky enough to have a job that is supportive in my outside activity and has even rescheduled my classes around that activity. |
I'm sure most of us go to work with this mentality, thinking of the book we're going to write, business we're going to run, land we're going to develop one day etc.. etc... My point was just that Korean universities seem to foster this mentality more than other places wiuth their lax job requirements and scare opportunities for promotion or deeper involvement. In my experience your KTESOL conference attending university colleagues would be the exception rather than the rule. |
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whiteshoes
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Well for the most part, a uni job is as high as we can go.
I'm active in improving my teaching ability, but then again, I plan on being in Korea for a while longer. I'll start a uni job in March that doesn't have a cap, and I plan on trying to stay there as long as I can. I'll take the same approach I always do with a job. Do such a good job, they can't replace me. It does mean that I might upset my co-workers by being an "eager beaver" but I like keeping a job. |
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cj1976
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| The pay seems very low for some of these jobs. I had an interview with one uni and the salary was 27 million per annum. Is that normal? |
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bamboozler
Joined: 18 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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Also it's much easier to bang chicks if you work at a Uni.
Countless times I've dropped my school name and had one night stands.
Keep your ear to the grindstone! |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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Also it's much easier to bang chicks if you work at a Uni.
Countless times I've dropped my school name and had one night stands.
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Umm...You could still do that even if you weren't working at a university. |
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bamboozler
Joined: 18 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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Also it's much easier to bang chicks if you work at a Uni.
Countless times I've dropped my school name and had one night stands.
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Umm...You could still do that even if you weren't working at a university. |
As I do my friend! |
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PRagic
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Questions concerning number of contact hours and responsibilities over term breaks are very common during the interview process for positions at N. American universities, much as they are here.
You can also include questions about benefits, pay, time-to-tenure, publishing expectations, school and professional service expectations, and anything else that can impact performance (e.g. transportation support for a move, international spouse support in the form of classes, interim lodging facilities/opportunities, etc...).
The difference is that 9 out of 10 people on the this board are not going for tenure track or even visiting professor positions, they are going for full-time lecturer positions. Big difference. Given the market here, you have to get what you can. Some universitiy jobs for ESL lecturers are pretty up to snuff, and others are absolutely terrible. In N. America, full-time lecturer positions staffed with MA holders have conditions and payment terms that are usually set in stone, especially at state universities and smaller colleges; not much negotiating or room for it. |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:57 am Post subject: |
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| The pay seems very low for some of these jobs. I had an interview with one uni and the salary was 27 million per annum. Is that normal? |
Actually that is not bad. The reason is that it is 2.2 base salary. There is probably an overtime rate and MOST universities will give you chances to do extra hours during term and break times. 2.2 can easily become 3million or more over the course of a year. |
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Paddycakes
Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:51 am Post subject: |
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Also it's much easier to bang chicks if you work at a Uni.
Countless times I've dropped my school name and had one night stands.
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Umm...You could still do that even if you weren't working at a university. |
Yup, confirmed... I just casually drop the name "English Moo Moo", and they just instantly drop their panties. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:58 am Post subject: |
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| PRagic wrote: |
Questions concerning number of contact hours and responsibilities over term breaks are very common during the interview process for positions at N. American universities, much as they are here.
You can also include questions about benefits, pay, time-to-tenure, publishing expectations, school and professional service expectations, and anything else that can impact performance (e.g. transportation support for a move, international spouse support in the form of classes, interim lodging facilities/opportunities, etc...).
The difference is that 9 out of 10 people on the this board are not going for tenure track or even visiting professor positions, they are going for full-time lecturer positions. Big difference. Given the market here, you have to get what you can. Some universitiy jobs for ESL lecturers are pretty up to snuff, and others are absolutely terrible. In N. America, full-time lecturer positions staffed with MA holders have conditions and payment terms that are usually set in stone, especially at state universities and smaller colleges; not much negotiating or room for it. |
Right on target as usual....
Many people confure Tenure track positions, Professor positions and what most foreigners end up being hired for: English Instructors-Guest Lecturer.
They pay, benefits and conditions are commensurate to each position based on the import of the position, the applicants experience and qualifications...so with a BA in anything and a couple of years at a Hakwon you can maybe get an instructors position, do not confuse this with tenure positions or even with an associate prof position. |
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Paddycakes
Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:04 am Post subject: |
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| Can the wives of foreign "visiting professors" or "lecturers" (or whatever they're called), join the 'Faculty Wives Club'? |
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PRagic
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| Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't know one wife of an academic here who is in, or would want to be in, a 'faculty wive's club'. The wives all avoid academia to the best of their abilities, and understandably so. |
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