| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
|
 Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:06 pm Post subject: |
 |
|
Well, the US constitution says the same thing, but drug tests are still common requirements for those seeking employment.
But testing ONLY forgeiners is not fair. I'll agree with that. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Smee
Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Location: Jeollanam-do
|
| Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:49 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| jrwhite82 wrote: |
Wasn't someone on here posting about them doing random drug tests on existing teachers?
I could have sworn someone said about a month ago their coteacher got a letter from the MOE that said they will be testing teachers. This was back around Christmas. But it was only one city.
As for the teachers taking drugs while teaching, it has happened a couple of times. But the media also sensationalizes it. I'm pretty sure its quite often that most Koreans do this as well, but it doesn't make the news. It's just one of the prices you pay to living in a bubble here. They have at least been talking about the celebrities getting caught in the news a lot. So famous people and NETs are treated equally in terms of media exposure related to drug use. We are in good company.
Easy solution: don't do drugs. |
That was in Daejeon last month. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
hondaicivic
Joined: 01 Jul 2010
Location: Daegu, South Korea
|
| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:06 am Post subject: |
|
|
| jrwhite82 wrote: |
Well, the US constitution says the same thing, but drug tests are still common requirements for those seeking employment.
But testing ONLY forgeiners is not fair. I'll agree with that. |
The US constitution says a lot of things, but the scum bags in DC and wall street still manage to use it as toilet paper. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
|
| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:08 am Post subject: |
|
|
| jrwhite82 wrote: |
Well, the US constitution says the same thing, but drug tests are still common requirements for those seeking employment.
But testing ONLY forgeiners is not fair. I'll agree with that. |
I covered the issue of jobs already having testing in the contract. Springing this on someone is ridiculous and, as you say, not fair at all. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
|
| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:45 am Post subject: |
|
|
How long do all these drugs stay in your system?
Would you test positive for any of them years after the fact? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ssuprnova
Joined: 17 Dec 2010
Location: Saigon
|
| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:50 am Post subject: |
|
|
| I wouldn't care as long as they payed for the test and gave me a day off. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
|
| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:53 am Post subject: |
|
|
| ssuprnova wrote: |
| I wouldn't care as long as they payed for the test and gave me a day off. |
Hell yeah. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Riker
Joined: 28 Dec 2010
|
| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:06 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Junior wrote: |
How long do all these drugs stay in your system?
Would you test positive for any of them years after the fact? |
This depends on both the type of drug and the type of test. For urine / blood analysis, not very long. Your liver works hard to detoxify any foreign substance, usually by attaching an OH (hydroxyl group) to it. This can take anywhere from a few hours to a week.
For hair tests, if you have long/old hair it can go back years. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
|
| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:32 am Post subject: |
|
|
| JrWhite82 wrote: |
| Well, the US constitution says the same thing, but drug tests are still common requirements for those seeking employment. |
Its basically an infringement of the right to personal privacy. Korea is getting way, way too nitpicky.
Don't lets forget this is the same education authority that tolerates the abuse of students, sexual harrasment and public drunkeness (soju anyone?) by Korean teachers.
Behind it all is usually some politicians trying to get votes by finding a new way to demonize foreigners and then posing as the savior of the nation by introducing even stricter controls.
| Riker wrote: |
| This depends on both the type of drug and the type of test. . |
Do you know if its true that cocaine can be detected up to 25 years later? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Riker
Joined: 28 Dec 2010
|
| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:48 am Post subject: |
|
|
Not likely. On a "normal" male who cuts his hair regularly about 1 year is all that is possible. ( using hair from below the neck ) If your a woman ( or have hair like a woman), 5 years or more is easily possible.
But these are theoretical limits. I've never seen commercial tests for over 90 days.
But their are physical clues that last forever if somebody has regularly abused cocaine. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ThingsComeAround
Joined: 07 Nov 2008
|
| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:08 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Junior wrote: |
| JrWhite82 wrote: |
| Well, the US constitution says the same thing, but drug tests are still common requirements for those seeking employment. |
Its basically an infringement of the right to personal privacy. Korea is getting way, way too nitpicky.
Don't ... forget this is the same education authority that tolerates the abuse of students, sexual harrasment and public drunkeness (soju anyone?) by Korean teachers.
Behind it all is usually some politicians trying to get votes by finding a new way to demonize foreigners and then posing as the savior of the nation by introducing even stricter controls.
|
Yes. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada
|
| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:58 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Riker wrote: |
Not likely. On a "normal" male who cuts his hair regularly about 1 year is all that is possible. ( using hair from below the neck ) If your a woman ( or have hair like a woman), 5 years or more is easily possible.
But these are theoretical limits. I've never seen commercial tests for over 90 days.
|
I was under the impression there are very trace amounts of drugs in virtually everyone from air pollution, handling money, etc.
Those of you who say "I don't use drugs, no problem" are giving up your civil liberties for absolutely nothing in return. I'm amazed that people can just be so nonchalant about it, especially when it's such blatant discrimination. How about lie detector tests next?
And false positives *do* happen. Do you really want to be the person to have to go in for a second weewee test with 10 000 times the suspicion hanging over your head? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Riker
Joined: 28 Dec 2010
|
| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:59 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| silkhighway wrote: |
I was under the impression there are very trace amounts of drugs in virtually everyone from air pollution, handling money, etc.
And false positives *do* happen. Do you really want to be the person to have to go in for a second weewee test with 10 000 times the suspicion hanging over your head? |
The only real example of a false positive is after consuming poppy seeds, and testing positive for Opiates. Most tests will ask you if you have consumed poppy seeds in breads or muffins, thus making this test basically useless in the US.
You can't test positive for a drug test from air pollution or handling money. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
|
| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:00 am Post subject: |
|
|
| silkhighway wrote: |
| Those of you who say "I don't use drugs, no problem" are giving up your civil liberties for absolutely nothing in return. I'm amazed that people can just be so nonchalant about it, especially when it's such blatant discrimination. |
This is the time-honoured way by which governments throughout history gradually increase their power over the people.
You introduce small changes that are not significant enough to cause uproar, each one nibbling away at the rights of the populace.
Gradually you make bigger changes, but at each point only a minority is affected... so most people just shrug it off. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.
|
| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:55 am Post subject: |
|
|
| I bet these extra drug tests won't effect the F-4 visas. People can teach kids at hagwons on F-4 visas without any kind of criminal background check, degree or drug test. Some of the foreigners busted for drugs here have been on F-4s rather than E-2s- they even had a murderer (http://news.kukinews.com/article/view.asp?page=1&gCode=kmi&arcid=0004261868&cp=nv) teaching at a hagwon on one of these FFS. If you are ethnically Korean it is assumed that they would never take drugs, commit crimes or need a degree to teach children at hagwons I guess. Pretty terrible loophole. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
