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languistic



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jrwhite82 wrote:


In a number of dictionaries, "literally" is used as an intesifier before figurative language. Checkmate.

ESL learners can distinguish the difference easily. Ever have a student say it was "really, really, really, really cold outside"?


Colloquialism is not denotation. I don't teach ESL. If you are in Korea, you don't either. Checkmate indeed. You should also use a spell checker if you are trying to appear pedantic.
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jrwhite82



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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earthquakez



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, you should have written "Figuratively sweating bullets". Laughing

Really, anybody with such time on their hands as to trawl around like the fellow you're answering 'correcting' posters who don't agree with his limited worldview is to be pitied. "Checkmate"? Laughing Who would have thought the eslcafe exists to bolster certain individuals' low self-esteem?
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jrwhite82



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

earthquakez wrote:
No, you should have written "Figuratively sweating bullets". Laughing

Really, anybody with such time on their hands as to trawl around like the fellow you're answering 'correcting' posters who don't agree with his limited worldview is to be pitied. "Checkmate"? Laughing Who would have thought the eslcafe exists to bolster certain individuals' low self-esteem?


You're right earthquakez. I just felt like these two were trying to blast me over some mundane detail of my writing, which really had nothing to do with the conversation at hand.

Sorry for escalting the attacks languastic and ontheway.
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happiness



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

my hs did this to me and I did a 5 min explanation on Hawaiian English and tied it up with Koreans in Hawaii and US and future and globalization and I got the job.

true....
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liveinkorea316



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A couple of copied definitions from populoar online dictionaries show that Earthquake and the other person were wrong. That in fact "Literally" has been widely used as an intensifier. This was orignally a "wrong" usage of the word but as we know languages change and literally now has that use as an acceptable one.



lit�er�al�ly (ltr--l)
adv.
1. In a literal manner; word for word: translated the Greek passage literally.
2. In a literal or strict sense: Don't take my remarks literally.


3. Usage Problem

a. Really; actually: "There are people in the world who literally do not know how to boil water" (Craig Claiborne).

b. Used as an intensive before a figurative expression.
Usage Note: For more than a hundred years, critics have remarked on the incoherency of using literally in a way that suggests the exact opposite of its primary sense of "in a manner that accords with the literal sense of the words." In 1926, for example, H.W. Fowler cited the example "The 300,000 Unionists ... will be literally thrown to the wolves." The practice does not stem from a change in the meaning of literally itselfif it did, the word would long since have come to mean "virtually" or "figuratively"but from a natural tendency to use the word as a general intensive, as in They had literally no help from the government on the project, where no contrast with the figurative sense of the words is intended.





lit�er�al�ly   /ˈlɪtərəli/ Show Spelled
[lit-er-uh-lee] Show IPA

�adverb
1. in the literal or strict sense: What does the word mean literally?
2. in a literal manner; word for word: to translate literally.
3. actually; without exaggeration or inaccuracy: The city was literally destroyed.
4. in effect; in substance; very nearly; virtually.
Use literally in a Sentence
See images of literally
Search literally on the Web

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Origin:
1525�35; literal + -ly


�Can be confused:   figuratively, literally, virtually (see usage note at this entry ).


�Usage note
Since the early 20th century, literally has been widely used as an intensifier meaning �in effect, virtually,� a sense that contradicts the earlier meaning �actually, without exaggeration�: The senator was literally buried alive in the Iowa primaries. The parties were literally trading horses in an effort to reach a compromise. The use is often criticized; nevertheless, it appears in all but the most carefully edited writing. Although this use of literally irritates some, it probably neither distorts nor enhances the intended meaning of the sentences in which it occurs. The same might often be said of the use of literally in its earlier sense �actually�: The garrison was literally wiped out: no one survived.
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liveinkorea316



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

earthquakez wrote:
No, you should have written "Figuratively sweating bullets". Laughing

Really, anybody with such time on their hands as to trawl around like the fellow you're answering 'correcting' posters who don't agree with his limited worldview is to be pitied. "Checkmate"? Laughing Who would have thought the eslcafe exists to bolster certain individuals' low self-esteem?


you should look "literally" up in a dictionary. Or actually a few dictionaries. You will find that JRWhite is correct and you, Earthquake, are wrong.
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jrwhite82



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, thanks for the backup liveinkorea316. I don't know what else we can say about this topic. We are literally kicking a dead horse. (I had to throw that in there)
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ontheway



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dictionaries are reference tools that often list common usages that, while incorrect, need to be listed in order for the user of the dictionary to understand something he or she may have read or heard. Thus, although my dictionary lists the commonly confused usages of "illusion" and "allusion" it is not intended to imply approval of these incorrect uses. Nor are the commonly used conjugations: "I be, you be, we be, they be, he be, she be," accepted as proper, even if published in a dictionary, although some have argued that they should be considered an acceptable alternative or even designated as part of a separate language.
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liveinkorea316



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="ontheway"]Dictionaries are reference tools that often list common usages that, while incorrect, need to be listed in order for the user of the dictionary to understand something he or she may have read or heard. Thus, although my dictionary lists the commonly confused usages of "illusion

but "literally" is often used in the way mentioned in this thread. As was mentioned in the dictionary. So by your own reasoning there is nothing wrong with using it that way.
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ontheway



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

liveinkorea316 wrote:
ontheway wrote:
Dictionaries are reference tools that often list common usages that, while incorrect, need to be listed in order for the user of the dictionary to understand something he or she may have read or heard. Thus, although my dictionary lists the commonly confused usages of "illusion


but "literally" is often used in the way mentioned in this thread. As was mentioned in the dictionary. So by your own reasoning there is nothing wrong with using it that way.


No, by my reasoning it is listed as a commonly incorrect usage. Reread your own dictionary reference:

Quote:
Origin:
1525�35; literal + -ly


�Can be confused:   figuratively, literally, virtually (see usage note at this entry ).


They are telling you that this word is commonly misused and confused with "figuratively."


There are thousand of words that have been misused by millions of people for decades or centuries, but it doesn't make them correct. It means that there is a great divide between those who have been properly educated and those who have not.

Quote:
The use is often criticized; nevertheless, it appears in all but the most carefully edited writing.


Exactly.
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cragesmure



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:10 am    Post subject: Re: Mock Class at a Job Interview? Reply with quote

bobbybigfoot wrote:
marsavalanche wrote:


You don't feel comfortable speaking in front of adults?

You couldn't even do this in front of 3 people? WOW.

And you want to be an English teacher in South Korea? Sorry but if you couldn't do a mock class in front of your interviewers someone else deserves that job.

I had to do a mock class in front of students + the entire board at one interview. For about 15 minutes, not 5. Step up your game, that's the only advice I can offer.


Get off your high horse.

Exactly. When do we ever teach a class with no preparation? Hopefully never. To be asked to do this with no prep in an interview situation is insane. And to have a go at someone for feeling uncomfortable for being put in this situation is beyond insane. An unprepared teacher is a poor teacher, and that is the person who needs to step up their game.
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:42 am    Post subject: Re: Mock Class at a Job Interview? Reply with quote

cragesmure wrote:
bobbybigfoot wrote:
marsavalanche wrote:


You don't feel comfortable speaking in front of adults?

You couldn't even do this in front of 3 people? WOW.

And you want to be an English teacher in South Korea? Sorry but if you couldn't do a mock class in front of your interviewers someone else deserves that job.

I had to do a mock class in front of students + the entire board at one interview. For about 15 minutes, not 5. Step up your game, that's the only advice I can offer.


Get off your high horse.

Exactly. When do we ever teach a class with no preparation? Hopefully never. To be asked to do this with no prep in an interview situation is insane. And to have a go at someone for feeling uncomfortable for being put in this situation is beyond insane. An unprepared teacher is a poor teacher, and that is the person who needs to step up their game.


Except he was not asked to teach a class without preparation, he was asked to provide a 5 MINUTE DEMO LESSON or if you will a presentation of how he would teach the material in the textbook....

This is a common enough tactic when interviewing and it is likely that the hiring committee wanted to see how he would react to an unknown challenge or turn of event and were not really evaluating his teaching technique. You know because its not important at ALL to know if the person you are considering hiring as a TEACHER is able to react well to unexpected turn of events. Indeed, that NEVER happens in the course of a lesson.....
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rockymtn



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Literally sweating bullets" is a hyperbole and he used it correctly.

gadfly- Trying to hire the best teacher for the job is a difficult task. In the US we hired a guy who interviewed really well and had a good resume but really lacked classroom managment skills. He could have a million great lessons (hyperbole) but they were wasted because the kids were out of control. I believe there are some skills you cannot see in a sample lesson. Finding qualified teachers is tough. I think you end up making teachers better with training than finding ones who have a real gift for teaching.
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jrwhite82



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ontheway wrote:
liveinkorea316 wrote:
ontheway wrote:
Dictionaries are reference tools that often list common usages that, while incorrect, need to be listed in order for the user of the dictionary to understand something he or she may have read or heard. Thus, although my dictionary lists the commonly confused usages of "illusion


but "literally" is often used in the way mentioned in this thread. As was mentioned in the dictionary. So by your own reasoning there is nothing wrong with using it that way.


No, by my reasoning it is listed as a commonly incorrect usage. Reread your own dictionary reference:

Quote:
Origin:
1525�35; literal + -ly


�Can be confused:   figuratively, literally, virtually (see usage note at this entry ).


They are telling you that this word is commonly misused and confused with "figuratively."


There are thousand of words that have been misused by millions of people for decades or centuries, but it doesn't make them correct. It means that there is a great divide between those who have been properly educated and those who have not.

Quote:
The use is often criticized; nevertheless, it appears in all but the most carefully edited writing.


Exactly.


So you're saying that when we write on a message board we can't use slang or a colloquialism? That on an internet message board we must use the "most carefully edited writing"?

And you are still disregarding the fact that in a number of dictionaries it is listed in its third or fourth meaning as an intensifier....WITH NO USAGE NOTE! Plus, as I've read, dozens of famous writers have been using literally as an intensifier for hundreds of years.

So, you're wrong in thinking that an internet message board is a form of the most carefully edited writing, and according to a number of dictionaries it is perfectly acceptable as an intensifier and dozens of the most famous authors have used it in their writing for hundreds of years.

Keep fighting the good fight though (but it's a losing one).
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