|
Korean Job Discussion Forums "The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
|
View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
millyfrend
Joined: 29 Apr 2010
|
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:09 am Post subject: |
|
|
Well how long is a couple of weeks? Most people are getting the FBI checks now in 3-4 weeks this time of year, a lot of people on this forum. We probably have to go to the FBI "factory" to see how they are processing them. Maybe they are not doing it efficiently. I don't know. Maybe they need to copy other countries. It is pretty ridiculous though. I think a lot of Americans expect the U.S. to be fast at everything they do.
The FBI actually changed their system. I believe in 2008 or so when you mailed in the FBI card, you get it back in a week; however, you get back the fingerprint card you sent in and it just get stamped, no record. But now that they changed it, you get a letter and that is taking longer.
northway wrote: |
millyfrend wrote: |
Lets say they get 10,000+ fingerprints a day (from 50 states and worldwide). It's probably easy to get 10,000+ applications a day from teachers, doctors, lawyers etc from 50 states, this is not including people from South Korea, Spain, Vietnam, Mexico sending in their applications. |
Okay, sure, but how is it that every other country of the seven is able to do it within a couple weeks, yet it takes so long for the FBI to do it? And please, don't tell me that the FBI has more applications to deal with, as there's a stupid easy solution to that one. |
|
|
Back to top |
|
 |
millyfrend
Joined: 29 Apr 2010
|
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:29 am Post subject: |
|
|
I heard with expungement it stays on your record. The thing with expungement is you can honestly say you've never been convicted of a misdemeanor on an application. I'm just guessing.
Here's wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expungement
When an expungement is granted, the person whose record is expunged may, for most purposes, treat the event as if it never occurred. In many jurisdictions, however, the records may not completely "disappear" and may still be available to law enforcement.
northway wrote: |
Zackback wrote: |
northway,
Why would your friend not be allowed to teach in South Korea if the drag-racing arrest was later expunged? |
Because in the States it still stays on your record, even if it's expunged. |
|
|
Back to top |
|
 |
millyfrend
Joined: 29 Apr 2010
|
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:54 am Post subject: |
|
|
Actually, if Korean Immigration or the Korean Consulate can sign up with the FBI, the process can be done a lot quicker.
Most states have Live Scan (electronic fingerprints), where the prints are done digitally. The prints and applicant information is submitted electronically to the FBI, you don't have to manually mail it in. The process get done in 3-4 business days. The results get sent directly to the school and the school can check the applicant status online. This can only be done if the requesting agency is signed up with the FBI. The FBI will give them a mail code. Once you have a mail code, you can check applicant results online.
I believe they're moving toward this way, but it requires all states to get a live scan machine. Some states don't even do state background checks.
For instance, if you work in California or states with live scan, a teacher teaching in California would get live scan (state background check + FBI background check). The information get sent to them electronically and in 3-4 business days the school you're applying to get the results.
northway wrote: |
millyfrend wrote: |
Lets say they get 10,000+ fingerprints a day (from 50 states and worldwide). It's probably easy to get 10,000+ applications a day from teachers, doctors, lawyers etc from 50 states, this is not including people from South Korea, Spain, Vietnam, Mexico sending in their applications. |
Okay, sure, but how is it that every other country of the seven is able to do it within a couple weeks, yet it takes so long for the FBI to do it? And please, don't tell me that the FBI has more applications to deal with, as there's a stupid easy solution to that one. |
|
|
Back to top |
|
 |
bowra
Joined: 04 Oct 2009
|
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:06 am Post subject: |
|
|
For those wondering, a state-level expungement may eliminate the conviction, but a FBI criminal background check also includes your arrest record. In most states, you cannot expunge an arrest record, and Korean employers won't take a chance on you if there's anything at all on there. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
|
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:26 am Post subject: Re: The FBI and RCMP checks might reduce teacher numbers |
|
|
kengreen wrote: |
I have a feeling that these checks will severely reduce the number of English teachers in a year's time.
As an American, the entire process can take more than several months.
I just don't see people having the patience to jump through the hoops. |
Won't make any difference to Canadians applying from within Canada. Turn around time at any RCMP detachment (confirmed by prints) is typically 3-7 days and they are trying to get them all down to 72 hours.
Even for those who don't have local policing done by the RCMP they can always go to the divisional HQ and get it done by the ident section there.
It is more difficult and time consuming when abroad (and takes forever) but it doesn't apply to that many people (only those who didn't get an RCMP check done the first time) and as those who didn't have one go home and get replaced that number will quickly drop to "0".
Additionally, even though the process is time consuming, they have up to a year to get it done (latest is Jan 1, 2012). There is no excuse for not getting it.
As for Americans, there is no easy solution for them (hazards of such a disjointed and fractured judicial system) but as long as the US economy stays in the tank with double digit unemployment and no new jobs for new graduates there will be more than enough newbies willing to jump through the hoops because they need some way to pay off their killer huge student loans.
For the rest of the E2s it won't make any difference since they would have already been in compliance anyway.
. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|