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Would a foreigner lie to another foreigner?
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marsavalanche



Joined: 27 Aug 2010
Location: where pretty lies perish

PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:07 am    Post subject: Would a foreigner lie to another foreigner? Reply with quote

I had a job interview today done by one of the teachers at the school, and not one of the Korean staff.

It went really really well, and I'm very interested in the school. The person claimed they were renewing, and another teacher was as well.

During interviews it's always a good idea to talk to one of the teachers there, but in this case the teacher was interviewing me so I could ask the questions I wanted and get answers right there on the spot.

But I was wondering.... do you think some outgoing teachers would lie about things like renewing just to get a new teacher in and obey the school's orders? Sounds shady one foreigner screwing over another. Maybe I'm just being paranoid I don't know.
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millyfrend



Joined: 29 Apr 2010

PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:10 am    Post subject: Re: Would a foreigner lie to another foreigner? Reply with quote

Anything is possible though.


marsavalanche wrote:
I had a job interview today done by one of the teachers at the school, and not one of the Korean staff.

It went really really well, and I'm very interested in the school. The person claimed they were renewing, and another teacher was as well.

During interviews it's always a good idea to talk to one of the teachers there, but in this case the teacher was interviewing me so I could ask the questions I wanted and get answers right there on the spot.

But I was wondering.... do you think some outgoing teachers would lie about things like renewing just to get a new teacher in and obey the school's orders? Sounds shady one foreigner screwing over another. Maybe I'm just being paranoid I don't know.
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fugitive chicken



Joined: 20 Apr 2010
Location: Bucheon

PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes they do it when their supervisor is breathing down their back during the interview. Happens a lot, actually. In that case I would ask for their email to get the dirt privately
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fugitive chicken wrote:
Sometimes they do it when their supervisor is breathing down their back during the interview. Happens a lot, actually. In that case I would ask for their email to get the dirt privately


I'll second that motion.

All in favor, say AYE!

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walterkim18



Joined: 07 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:13 am    Post subject: Re: Would a foreigner lie to another foreigner? Reply with quote

marsavalanche wrote:
I had a job interview today done by one of the teachers at the school, and not one of the Korean staff.

It went really really well, and I'm very interested in the school. The person claimed they were renewing, and another teacher was as well.

During interviews it's always a good idea to talk to one of the teachers there, but in this case the teacher was interviewing me so I could ask the questions I wanted and get answers right there on the spot.

But I was wondering.... do you think some outgoing teachers would lie about things like renewing just to get a new teacher in and obey the school's orders? Sounds shady one foreigner screwing over another. Maybe I'm just being paranoid I don't know.


If you are posting this question then there must have been something, during the interview process, that made you feel that the interviewer was being dishonest. Of course it is possible that one teacher, no matter what nationality, could lie to another for their own benefit. Do some research on the internet about the school and trust your instincts. Good Luck
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marsavalanche



Joined: 27 Aug 2010
Location: where pretty lies perish

PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In all honesty I thought everything was fine, it's just that I've heard sooooo much negativity from these forums I'm being super picky in terms of looking for a job now.

If I never came here I would have signed the thing by now.
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they are renewing, who isn't? Are they just growing and need a new teacher? These are the things you need to ask a few people. See if you get the same story from all of them.

Another tactic is to ask the same questions multiple times. See if the story changes.
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interestedinhanguk



Joined: 23 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absolutely. Humans lie. Foreign, Korean, it doesn't matter.

I was lied to by the foreign teacher during a phone interview before coming to Korea. He lied about many things. He knew there were wrong and shady things at my school, but he re-signed because he was a pushover. He was aware that the issues were wrong and shouldn't bring someone else into it. Regardless, he painted a rosy picture and screwed me.

I even got his e-mail address so I could do dirt-digging there. But, he lied on the e-mail, too.
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jrwhite82



Joined: 22 May 2010

PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There could be many reasons why someone would lie. Maybe he is afraid you would decline the offer and list an excuse he told you about. Maybe the employer is a dictator that should be feared. Maybe he is just a compulsive liar and HAS to.

If two people are renewing, that is a good sign. Trust your gut and remember that most people who are really happy with their jobs don't come on Dave's to brag about it. They are far too busy being happy and enjoying their life. So the population of unhappy teachers is a little disproportionate to reality here.
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interestedinhanguk



Joined: 23 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jrwhite82 wrote:
There could be many reasons why someone would lie. Maybe he is afraid you would decline the offer and list an excuse he told you about. Maybe the employer is a dictator that should be feared. Maybe he is just a compulsive liar and HAS to.

If two people are renewing, that is a good sign. Trust your gut and remember that most people who are really happy with their jobs don't come on Dave's to brag about it. They are far too busy being happy and enjoying their life. So the population of unhappy teachers is a little disproportionate to reality here.


Ugh, does it have to be said on every thread? Just because people complain on Dave's doesn't mean they're unhappy. Everyone has problems and there are different ways of coping. Venting on Dave's is one of those.

I know lots of foreigners who are too busy to be here on Dave's because they're 8 drinks deep in a bar right now.
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bobbybigfoot



Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course.

And the other thing you need to consider: how do you know any email address is legit? Could be a shill feeding you a line of bologna.
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:51 am    Post subject: Re: Would a foreigner lie to another foreigner? Reply with quote

marsavalanche wrote:
The person claimed they were renewing, and another teacher was as well.


Of course they were renewing.

Everyone is renewing! Mostly to avoid having to get documents for a visa transfer to a different school. And because there are zero jobs in the west to go back to.
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bobbybigfoot wrote:
Of course.

And the other thing you need to consider: how do you know any email address is legit? Could be a shill feeding you a line of bologna.


How many schools have a Korean writing English well enough to come across as a native speaker?
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jrwhite82



Joined: 22 May 2010

PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

interestedinhanguk wrote:
jrwhite82 wrote:
There could be many reasons why someone would lie. Maybe he is afraid you would decline the offer and list an excuse he told you about. Maybe the employer is a dictator that should be feared. Maybe he is just a compulsive liar and HAS to.

If two people are renewing, that is a good sign. Trust your gut and remember that most people who are really happy with their jobs don't come on Dave's to brag about it. They are far too busy being happy and enjoying their life. So the population of unhappy teachers is a little disproportionate to reality here.


Ugh, does it have to be said on every thread? Just because people complain on Dave's doesn't mean they're unhappy. Everyone has problems and there are different ways of coping. Venting on Dave's is one of those.

I know lots of foreigners who are too busy to be here on Dave's because they're 8 drinks deep in a bar right now.


Well they're unhappy about something, so they come to complain. People don't usually come here to say, "Wow. Had a great day today." I'm not saying there is anything wrong with venting...I've done it before too, but I am generally quite happy with my job. All I'm saying is that from a post count perspective, it would show that when talking about job conditions, most on here are going to be negative. But that is not a reliable way of judging working conditions here. So yeah, we actually agree with each other. No need to "ugh" me.
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sirius black



Joined: 04 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its sorta an unsaid, unwritten rule that the 11th commandment of Korea is 'thou shall not lie to another foreigner about a job'. However, there are exceptions to this assumed rule.
A couple good questions to ask another foreigner is what are the best things and worst things about this job? See how quick and forthcoming they are about the bad things. If they say there isn't anything bad its obvious a cause for concern. No job is perfect, even if its minor there is always something that could be better about a great job.
If you aren't satisfied with the answer come at them from another direction but pretty much asking the same question such as 'If you could change one thing (or two) about this job what would it be? Maybe ask to be a facebook friend so that you can ask some other questions if need be and see how many wall posts they have in their history about how much the job sucks or venting about the job.
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