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DHC
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| If you don't take illegal drugs the likelihood of a false positive is minuscule. One thing people overlook on this board is that unless you are a citizen, you have no right to enter or work in KR. A country is well within its rights to require drug screening for visa applications. Comparing yourself to citizens, overseas Koreans, or residents is comparing apples and oranges. You are not in this category and different laws apply to you. If KR visa laws disturb you, you can always find another country to work in. If you are a user of illegal drugs, the KR gov't. does not want you here nor do most professional expats. |
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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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| DHC wrote: |
| If you don't take illegal drugs the likelihood of a false positive is minuscule. |
It's not as low as you may think. Lot's of things can affect drug test results, health issues, prescription drugs, diet (poppy seeds is one example but there are others), and most importantly *bad testing* or tainted samples.
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One thing people overlook on this board is that unless you are a citizen, you have no right to enter or work in KR. A country is well within its rights to require drug screening for visa applications. Comparing yourself to citizens, overseas Koreans, or residents is comparing apples and oranges. You are not in this category and different laws apply to you. If KR visa laws disturb you, you can always find another country to work in. If you are a user of illegal drugs, the KR gov't. does not want you here nor do most professional expats. |
People get what they deserve in the end. I'm sure there are some teachers who would be on board with mandatory rectal probes if it meant limiting the market or because they delusionally believe it "proves" their innoncence (yeah right).
Me, well, I'd rather bag groceries in Canada than ever agree to something so blatantly discriminatory and a violation of my privacy. If I every teacher including Korean teachers had to do these tests and I had more confidence that these tests would be performed professionally and my integrity and privacy would be respected then I may feel different |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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I don't do drugs nor do I want to.
I do find the way this is being handled fairly repugnant though.
A few years back, they caught some kid in Seoul who was working illegally on a tourist visa, and selling/using pot after hours.
So they hauled all the PS teachers into the regional office for a "special" meeting, basically accused everyone of being a drug pushing hippy, and then couldn't understand why people became upset.
Go figure? 
The guy in the orginal article says "a number of teachers were using drugs while teaching", but never gives any proof of these allegations. Is this just another rumor gone wild or is there anything to substantiate these claims?
Was anyone charged?
If so, were they in Korea legally? Were they even teachers? Are they still referring back to this same incident and using that as justification?
The whole this smells of more BS to me. |
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aaron.southkorea
Joined: 20 Jan 2010
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| blah blah blah |
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seoulsucker
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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| Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Anyone had this done yet? If so, where did you have it done? |
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jurassic82
Joined: 21 Jun 2006
Location: Somewhere!!!!
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| Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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This is silly. If you wanna do drugs and/or have a criminal record go to Thailand or Cambodia. Last time I checked you would be fine there. I don't understand when people complain about this stuff. Drug and HIV tests are normal things when getting a VISA in other countries. Korea is crazy unorganized and that I can agree with but no different than other Asian countries. If a Korean English Teacher looked at this board they would think we were all nutz by reading some of the posts like "How Do I Get A Criminal Offense Expunged" or "What Offenses Will Get Me Rejected?" etc.... Plz people use your head and stop finding things to complain about Korea. I know it is easy but try and spend as much time improving your situation here or in your teaching and I am sure your life life in the Land of the Morning Calm will improve (hopefully).  |
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McGenghis
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
Location: Gangneung
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| Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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All of this press coverage of English teachers being immoral outlaws with the sexual mores of march hares is hilarious, in my opinion.
If you can find a society in the history of the human race that did not have a sizeable portion of its female populace devoted to seducing pirates and outlaws, let us know.
Yep. No one wants to affiliate with Bluebeard. |
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jpe
Joined: 15 Aug 2011
Location: Seoul, SK
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| So wait, are they actually doing hair tests as well? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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Well, the US constitution says the same thing, but drug tests are still common requirements for those seeking employment.
But testing ONLY forgeiners is not fair. I'll agree with that. |
Only...they don't. They test everyone on an E-2...including ETHNIC KOREANS (living outside of Korea) who for whatever reasons were unable to get a F-series visa...and yes there are some here as both Mr. Steelrails and myself have pointed out. |
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Swampfox10mm
Joined: 24 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Does the government pay a bounty for turning-in illegal drug use in Korea? |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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Well, the US constitution says the same thing, but drug tests are still common requirements for those seeking employment.
But testing ONLY forgeiners is not fair. I'll agree with that. |
Only...they don't. They test everyone on an E-2...including ETHNIC KOREANS (living outside of Korea) who for whatever reasons were unable to get a F-series visa...and yes there are some here as both Mr. Steelrails and myself have pointed out. |
I was referring to CentralCali's post that the US constitution bans unlawful search and seizure and so does the South Korean constitution.
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| The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. |
Korean Constitution:
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Article 12 Personal Liberty, Personal Integrity
(1) All citizens enjoy personal liberty. No person may be arrested, detained, searched, seized, or interrogated except as provided by law. No person may be punished, placed under preventive restrictions, or subject to involuntary labor except as provided by law and through lawful procedures.
(3) Warrants issued by a judge through due procedures upon the request of a prosecutor have to be presented in case of arrest, detention, seizure, or search: Provided, that in a case where a criminal suspect is a apprehended in flagrante delicto, or where there is danger that a person suspected of committing a crime punishable by imprisonment of three years or more may escape or destroy evidence, investigative authorities may request an ex post facto warrant. |
My point is that the constitution is not a viable defense for evading a drug test when issued as a condition of employment.
I also said nothing about race or ethnicity. I said foreigners (as in person born in or coming from a different country). So an ethnic Korean born or living outside of Korea and on an E2 visa is still a foreigner. 
Drug testing one teacher out of the 20-100 in your school is hardly going to do anything to protect children from being taught by drug users/abusers.
So is it legal to test E2 visa holders as a condition of employment? Yes. Is it an effective way to protect children? Not really.
Further more, it is discrimination and illegal (I think) against foreign workers for the police to require only E2 visa holding NETs to submit to a random drug test because another teacher who you don't even know that happens to live in the same -do as you was arrested for using/selling drugs. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| jrwhite82 wrote: |
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| jrwhite82 wrote: |
Well, the US constitution says the same thing, but drug tests are still common requirements for those seeking employment.
But testing ONLY forgeiners is not fair. I'll agree with that. |
Only...they don't. They test everyone on an E-2...including ETHNIC KOREANS (living outside of Korea) who for whatever reasons were unable to get a F-series visa...and yes there are some here as both Mr. Steelrails and myself have pointed out. |
I was referring to CentralCali's post that the US constitution bans unlawful search and seizure and so does the South Korean constitution.
US Constitution:
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| The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. |
Korean Constitution:
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Article 12 Personal Liberty, Personal Integrity
(1) All citizens enjoy personal liberty. No person may be arrested, detained, searched, seized, or interrogated except as provided by law. No person may be punished, placed under preventive restrictions, or subject to involuntary labor except as provided by law and through lawful procedures.
(3) Warrants issued by a judge through due procedures upon the request of a prosecutor have to be presented in case of arrest, detention, seizure, or search: Provided, that in a case where a criminal suspect is a apprehended in flagrante delicto, or where there is danger that a person suspected of committing a crime punishable by imprisonment of three years or more may escape or destroy evidence, investigative authorities may request an ex post facto warrant. |
My point is that the constitution is not a viable defense for evading a drug test when issued as a condition of employment.
I also said nothing about race or ethnicity. I said foreigners (as in person born in or coming from a different country). So an ethnic Korean born or living outside of Korea and on an E2 visa is still a foreigner.
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And foreigners who are here on a F-2 or F-4 or F-5 are not drug tested.
Only those on E-2 visas are being drug tested. That is the requirement for the visa. So it is an visa issue not a racial one. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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Further more, it is discrimination and illegal (I think) against foreign workers for the police to require only E2 visa holding NETs to submit to a random drug test because another teacher who you don't even know that happens to live in the same -do as you was arrested for using/selling drugs. |
Has this happened? Apart from an unverifiable story on Dave's? |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| jrwhite82 wrote: |
Well, the US constitution says the same thing, but drug tests are still common requirements for those seeking employment.
But testing ONLY forgeiners is not fair. I'll agree with that. |
Only...they don't. They test everyone on an E-2...including ETHNIC KOREANS (living outside of Korea) who for whatever reasons were unable to get a F-series visa...and yes there are some here as both Mr. Steelrails and myself have pointed out. |
I was referring to CentralCali's post that the US constitution bans unlawful search and seizure and so does the South Korean constitution.
US Constitution:
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| The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. |
Korean Constitution:
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Article 12 Personal Liberty, Personal Integrity
(1) All citizens enjoy personal liberty. No person may be arrested, detained, searched, seized, or interrogated except as provided by law. No person may be punished, placed under preventive restrictions, or subject to involuntary labor except as provided by law and through lawful procedures.
(3) Warrants issued by a judge through due procedures upon the request of a prosecutor have to be presented in case of arrest, detention, seizure, or search: Provided, that in a case where a criminal suspect is a apprehended in flagrante delicto, or where there is danger that a person suspected of committing a crime punishable by imprisonment of three years or more may escape or destroy evidence, investigative authorities may request an ex post facto warrant. |
My point is that the constitution is not a viable defense for evading a drug test when issued as a condition of employment.
I also said nothing about race or ethnicity. I said foreigners (as in person born in or coming from a different country). So an ethnic Korean born or living outside of Korea and on an E2 visa is still a foreigner.
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And foreigners who are here on a F-2 or F-4 or F-5 are not drug tested.
Only those on E-2 visas are being drug tested. That is the requirement for the visa. So it is an visa issue not a racial one. |
I'm not disagreeing with you about conditions of employment.
You are quoting me out of context. CentralCali and I were discussing (months ago I might add) an issue where the POLICE (not immigration or schools) were going to require other public school NETs to submit to drug testing because they caught a couple of NETs with drugs in the same city. It had nothing to do with a condition of employment for their job (except they were being profiled by the police). It had everything to do with being singled out and discriminated against. It would be like making all legal immigrant workers in California submit to drug testing because they caught 3 legal immigrant workers with drugs. It wouldn't fly. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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Further more, it is discrimination and illegal (I think) against foreign workers for the police to require only E2 visa holding NETs to submit to a random drug test because another teacher who you don't even know that happens to live in the same -do as you was arrested for using/selling drugs. |
Has this happened? Apart from an unverifiable story on Dave's? |
http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2010/12/you-need-drug-test-and-by-way-merry.html
I don't know if it happened, but it sounded like it might. And this was at the time we were discussing it (months ago). |
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