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wiganer
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
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 Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: Age discrimination in hiring is illegal in Korea. |
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| Junior wrote: |
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| Hopefully now that you have this new found knowledge in hand, you can move on. |
Become quite a troll lately haven't we? lol. |
He is a troll but lets face facts, do you have any teaching qualifications? MA TESOL or linguistics? A teaching license from your own country? A related first degree?
If I was to hire an experienced older teacher, he would have to have shown some progression with his skills set and qualifications - experience? What experience do you need to teach with GEPIK? It is what it is, a gig suited for kids who are still wet behind the ears.
You wouldn't be in this position Junior if you had just invested in yourself just a little bit. South Korea does not owe you a living. |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Koreans don't follow laws, and neither do I. When in Rome. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:35 am Post subject: Re: Age discrimination in hiring is illegal in Korea. |
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| wiganer wrote: |
| Junior wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Hopefully now that you have this new found knowledge in hand, you can move on. |
Become quite a troll lately haven't we? lol. |
He is a troll but lets face facts, do you have any teaching qualifications? MA TESOL or linguistics? A teaching license from your own country? A related first degree?
If I was to hire an experienced older teacher, he would have to have shown some progression with his skills set and qualifications - experience? What experience do you need to teach with GEPIK? It is what it is, a gig suited for kids who are still wet behind the ears.
You wouldn't be in this position Junior if you had just invested in yourself just a little bit. South Korea does not owe you a living. |
Sorry but I am not a troll, I just made light of Junior hammering on a point reletenlessly. The point was made: the law exists. The counter point was also well made: the law is not that clear, includes conditional terms and will be very hard to enforce.
What more can be said at that point?
As for the rest of your post, I could not agree more and I also made that point many times, well said. |
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Lastrova
Joined: 30 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:03 am Post subject: |
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| Discrimination sucks, but it's there and it's not going away anytime soon. The world over. Heck, when I don't smile (due to a foul mood), I'm discriminated against. But when I smile and make solid eye contact, doors fly open for me. I'm one and the same person. And charm is so easy to create. Tis a shame when someone gets stuck due to what they "think" are physical limitations. Of course, there are exceptions at either end of the spectrum, but they're negligible. |
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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:09 am Post subject: Re: Age discrimination in hiring is illegal in Korea. |
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It's been almost 2 years and they are still blatantly breaking the law. Any bets as to who the first person will be with a lawsuit? Class action lawsuit maybe? I'm not even sure if E2 holders have legal rights to sue. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:39 am Post subject: Re: Age discrimination in hiring is illegal in Korea. |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| wiganer wrote: |
| Junior wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Hopefully now that you have this new found knowledge in hand, you can move on. |
Become quite a troll lately haven't we? lol. |
He is a troll but lets face facts, do you have any teaching qualifications? MA TESOL or linguistics? A teaching license from your own country? A related first degree?
If I was to hire an experienced older teacher, he would have to have shown some progression with his skills set and qualifications - experience? What experience do you need to teach with GEPIK? It is what it is, a gig suited for kids who are still wet behind the ears.
You wouldn't be in this position Junior if you had just invested in yourself just a little bit. South Korea does not owe you a living. |
Sorry but I am not a troll, I just made light of Junior hammering on a point reletenlessly. The point was made: the law exists. The counter point was also well made: the law is not that clear, includes conditional terms and will be very hard to enforce.
What more can be said at that point?
As for the rest of your post, I could not agree more and I also made that point many times, well said. |
I have no clue what either of you are talking about, I am gainfully employed in korea, making the most money here that I have ever done in 8 years. I'm not old btw, unless you consider being over 30 to be worthy of a bus pass.
I posted about the law because it seemed kinda absurd, considering that its obvious that there is age discrimination in Korea. I posted it as a talking point of interest only.
I suggest you both run along and get therapy. |
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wiganer
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:14 am Post subject: Re: Age discrimination in hiring is illegal in Korea. |
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I have no clue what either of you are talking about, I am gainfully employed in korea, making the most money here that I have ever done in 8 years. I'm not old btw, unless you consider being over 30 to be worthy of a bus pass.
I posted about the law because it seemed kinda absurd, considering that its obvious that there is age discrimination in Korea. I posted it as a talking point of interest only.
I suggest you both run along and get therapy. |
I don't know how old you are, old enough for it to matter judging by your whinging. What's happened is that you have been caught with your pants down with this recession and the influx of noobs coming to take YOUR jobs has left you scrambling for the crappier positions due to age and I am sure nationality.
What I am saying is (and it is very simple, ask me if you need me to clarify it further) that if you had invested in yourself in the eight years you were in Korea - like taking a MA TESOL - you wouldn't be fighting for the scraps today with the noobs - you would be teaching in a university or somewhere a bit more salubrious than GEPIK.
What you (and many others) did instead was sit on your fat arse, expecting the easy life and the gravy train to last forever. You got caught out, tough titty, don't blame the Koreans for it eh?
I know it is undignified to lose out time and time again to noobs for entry level positions, but it is your own fault. The sooner you accept it, the nearer you are to a solution. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:14 am Post subject: |
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Junior,
You may have posted this law as a talking point but you then started debating with others who added rebutals that showed that you may not have read the law completely and then posted excerpts (I refer you to the post that discusses the word "may" earlier in this very thread).
The law is a good thing, its application will be extremely difficult and its enforcement even harder.
I have no idea what your qualications are or where you work or even how much you make and frankly that is none of my concern. However you complained in a few threads in the past few months about the jpb market in Korea being unfavorable to you, shutting you out as an experienced teacher and so on.
In most of these threads, people (including myself) made the point that experience IS valuable here but that you need to apply to places where it is VALUED. Another critical point was made a few times and that was: if you want to teach ESL for a while, you NEED to upgrade your qualifications and network so you have actual options out there.
All I can hope is that after 8 years, you know that and are doing these things. Otherwise, you will eventually end up in employment trouble with very limited options!
So be smart: get more qualifications, establish professional contacts and research the market (well ahead of your contract end date) to find those places that DO hire experienced teachers (there are many, many options) because as another person said in this very thread: Korea does not owe you or anyone of us a job. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:52 am Post subject: |
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Junior,
You may have posted this law as a talking point but you then started debating with others who added rebutals that showed that you may not have read the law completely and then posted excerpts (I refer you to the post that discusses the word "may" earlier in this very thread).
The law is a good thing, its application will be extremely difficult and its enforcement even harder. |
I totally agree with the points made: the law exists apparently for show, but is in practise too hard to enforce. I did not contest that, nor do I care. I just found it interesting and was enjoying discussing the topic.
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| However you complained in a few threads in the past few months about the jpb market in Korea being unfavorable to you |
Are you that obsessed with chasing me around? |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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Not chasing you around Junior.
Just stating facts.
Have a pleasant weekend. |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: Age discrimination in hiring is illegal in Korea. |
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| JeffersonDarcy2010 wrote: |
| Junior wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Hopefully now that you have this new found knowledge in hand, you can move on. |
Become quite a troll lately haven't we? lol. |
PatrickGHBusan, T-J, methodxman, hyundaicivic... how does your kimchi taste this evening? |
I love Dave's!
Reincarnation is a reality here, that's why it's so much fun!
Who were you in a past life?
Don't tell me... I'll guess it... Just keep posting... It's very entertaining...
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JeffersonDarcy2010
Joined: 05 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| It's weird to see someone repeatedly write how 'entertained' they are by this website. You're such a nerd. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:34 am Post subject: |
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| It's weird to see someone repeatedly write how 'entertained' they are by this website. You're such a nerd. |
Careful now, that sock of yours is starting to smell real bad. |
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olsanairbase
Joined: 30 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| JeffersonDarcy2010 wrote: |
| It's weird to see someone repeatedly write how 'entertained' they are by this website. You're such a nerd. |
Careful now, that sock of yours is starting to smell real bad. |
At least he wears socks to cover his odor
| Junior wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Junior,
You may have posted this law as a talking point but you then started debating with others who added rebutals that showed that you may not have read the law completely and then posted excerpts (I refer you to the post that discusses the word "may" earlier in this very thread).
The law is a good thing, its application will be extremely difficult and its enforcement even harder. |
I totally agree with the points made: the law exists apparently for show, but is in practise too hard to enforce. I did not contest that, nor do I care. I just found it interesting and was enjoying discussing the topic.
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| However you complained in a few threads in the past few months about the jpb market in Korea being unfavorable to you |
Are you that obsessed with chasing me around? |
Nice One!  |
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rockymtn
Joined: 01 Oct 2010
Location: USA
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| So what is the next reason why Korea is soooo....backward |
Are we that ignorant to believe that discrimination only happens in Korea?
In the US they beat people to death b/c they are gay, I have yet to read about Koreans beat someone up b/c they are old.
Who's backward? |
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