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This is why after four years I'm ready to leave....
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tokkibunni8



Joined: 13 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:16 pm    Post subject: This is why after four years I'm ready to leave.... Reply with quote

If I wanted to stay in Korea, I would have no problems finding a new school because I have four years of teaching experiences in Korea, great references, a tesol cert, two years of teaching in the States....But, all of that doesn't matter because I'm white and still breathing and that automatically gets me a job.


However, a good friend of mine is having trouble even landing an interview with schools because she's not white. Despite the 2 years of experiences that she has in Korea, great relationships with students and teachers at her current schools, great references from the p and vp and an in class TESOL cert from Thailand, and even willing to take a slight paycut, she can't land an interview.

Korea, you really need to catch up to the present. Just ranting because it sucks to see my friend this frustrated.

Also, because I am all done teaching in Korea for forever and because I have found nothing better to do on this cold deskwarming day Smile
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minos



Joined: 01 Dec 2010
Location: kOREA

PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:30 pm    Post subject: Re: This is why after four years I'm ready to leave.... Reply with quote

tokkibunni8 wrote:
If I wanted to stay in Korea, I would have no problems finding a new school because I have four years of teaching experiences in Korea, great references, a tesol cert, two years of teaching in the States....But, all of that doesn't matter because I'm white and still breathing and that automatically gets me a job.


However, a good friend of mine is having trouble even landing an interview with schools because she's not white. Despite the 2 years of experiences that she has in Korea, great relationships with students and teachers at her current schools, great references from the p and vp and an in class TESOL cert from Thailand, and even willing to take a slight paycut, she can't land an interview.

Korea, you really need to catch up to the present. Just ranting because it sucks to see my friend this frustrated.

Also, because I am all done teaching in Korea for forever and because I have found nothing better to do on this cold deskwarming day Smile


I'm sorta in the same situation...getting interviews in Seoul was near impossible, but plenty of places outside of Seoul.

It's them same for white dudes over 28 it would seem....they've also told me they've had problems.
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell it to the parents not the hagwon bosses.

If people wanna buy toast, but no franchipanne, there is nothing the baker can do about it.
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Radius



Joined: 20 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you're done in Korea because your friend can't get a job?
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ssuprnova



Joined: 17 Dec 2010
Location: Saigon

PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Juregen wrote:
Tell it to the parents not the hagwon bosses.

If people wanna buy toast, but no franchipanne, there is nothing the baker can do about it.


This. I know that most hagwon bosses are scumbags but even the decent ones sometimes have no choice as to whom they hire simply because the ajummas want their kid to be taught by a tall, slim, and young Caucasian. Case in point: one of the previous teachers at my hagwon was an overweight white girl. Parents actually called in and asked that their kids be switched to another class... Dead serious.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, happens all the time in hagwons, and not just kiddie hagwons.

Some of the "adult" (yeah right) hagwons are even worse.
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tokkibunni8



Joined: 13 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sad part is, it's the public schools!
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sirius black



Joined: 04 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ignorance about Korea can not only be frustrating but makes you appreciate your home country a bit. However, its not like the vast majority of us don't know about the ignorance and blatant racism coming in. In fact, I would suggest there are a few of 'us' who don't mind it deep down because it guarantees you the choice jobs. The irony is that some of the ones that know they got their jobs solely based on their look cry foul and scream from the rooftops when they face bias based on their not being Korean.

To the OP, I feel for your friend. Its tough to see a friend face that. If we all take nothing else from our experience here I hope its a newfound respect for diversity, a sensitivity to racism and when we see it back home we don't stand idly by.
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brauggi



Joined: 10 Oct 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

some waygug-in wrote:
Yep, happens all the time in hagwons, and not just kiddie hagwons.

Some of the "adult" (yeah right) hagwons are even worse.


you've got me curious - i'm about to start working for an adult hagwon - could you expand on that? Shocked
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do you think they ask for a picture on your resume?

They want to see you first and then judge whether or not you will be

"sale-able" to their clients.


I know of many cases of applicants being turned away simply based on appearance.


In my own experience I was called in for a job interview and the guy took 1 look at me and said "we aren't hiring".

I still don't know what that was about, perhaps my age?


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RMNC



Joined: 21 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is why it's a good idea to try and get an M.A. in English or TESOL in the meantime. That way you can take something out of it with you that's international, or at least pick up a swank University job.

And yes, they are swank.
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longlivetheclash



Joined: 08 Aug 2009
Location: Bundang/Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ajjuma waiting to enroll her kids at my old hagwon requested that I teach her kids. Quote : "I want the blue-eyed, Caucasian man at that desk teaching my kids English."
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

longlivetheclash wrote:
The ajjuma waiting to enroll her kids at my old hagwon requested that I teach her kids. Quote : "I want the blue-eyed, Caucasian man at that desk teaching my kids English."



Gotta call bs. That's a quote of what she said in English or your translation of what she said in Korean?

If it's the latter what did she say in Korean? Oh I know you're a fluent listener but you can't type out what she said. BS.

I'm not denying the attitude exists here. I know full well that it does. Just saying that you didn't hear the quote you claim to. BS.
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


To the OP, bye�Be sure to tell everyone you meet how awful it is to work here and that you would never recommend it. Also ask everyone you tell to tell everyone they know and so on�thanks.
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sirius black



Joined: 04 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 'good' news is that things are slowly changing. Obama is popular in Korea and a fair number of the kids like hip hop and many of their songs are hip hop influenced. Will Smith, Michael Jackson, Tyra and Oprah are very popular and known. The kids are a lot more open it to it and consider it a bit cool. Its the ajumas who didn't grow up wtih that and live under old stereotypes that need to be dragged into modernity.

Non white teachers are in the hard to place areas outside of Seoul and in other provinces. I worked in what is deemed a small city (if you call 500k small) that had black public school teachers and from what I understand are popular with the kids...and have been asked to do some privates (shh...its a secret Wink ).

Fact is many of us would be out if it was based on qualifications and effectiveness if someone observed our teaching and the right look is pretty much all we have. Maybe I'm completely wrong and off on this but I wouldn't be surprised if a few of us secretly like the look based hiring if we fall into that select group.
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