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Louis VI
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OiGirl
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| In two different states, when submitting my documentation to the state department of education (not locally!) I received credit for two years of hogwon teaching on my teaching license. One state even gave me thee years of seniority for part-time university teaching. |
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Son Deureo!
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: Teaching abroad -> career building? |
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| olsanairbase wrote: |
There is always an exception to any rule. However, the OP is calling for a general rule relating to whether he will get credit for time worked in Korea back in public schools in the US. |
Thanks to the beauty of federalism in public education, there really is no general rule in the US for my and Oigirl's experiences to be an exception to. Nor did I have any experience that led me to believe that my experiences were exceptional. I interviewed at two districts that made it to the salary negotiation stage and both were willing to pay me more for my overseas experiences.
If you can find districts that will not pay more for teaching experience in Korea, this will only further prove my point: It varies from district to district, so the OP needs to look into the policies of the district or districts where he plans to teach. |
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sirius black
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If you're working in the U.S. spanish is probably the best second language to learn as a teacher. In some areas you will be hired quicker and get a bump in pay for being a bilingual teacher that knows english and spanish. Learning Korean is never a bad thing but given the choice by schools in America, spanish is almost always much better than Korean. If you don't mind the low pay, teaching english in a country that speaks spanish so you can get fluent may be a way to go.
If your intention is to work back home it may be good prepare as much by getting certifications like TEFL while you're abroad to increase your ability to get hired. |
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dyc
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Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:57 pm Post subject: Re: Teaching abroad -> career building? |
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| olsanairbase wrote: |
There is always an exception to any rule. However, the OP is calling for a general rule relating to whether he will get credit for time worked in Korea back in public schools in the US. |
Actually, I live in Canada. I should've made it clear earlier.
And what I'm asking is more of a general question, not specifically about public schools in Canada but it would be nice to know. I'm just wondering if work experience in Korea (hagwon vs public school) would be counted as "teaching experience" in N. America (Canada in particular). |
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sirius black
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| Wouldn't a command of French be much more useful in Canada? I know Vancouver has a fair number of Koreans so knowing Korean there and possibly a multiethnic city like Toronto would be useful. Anyo on hands teaching experience is a positive towards getting a job as a teacher. |
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olsanairbase
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: Teaching abroad -> career building? |
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| Son Deureo! wrote: |
| olsanairbase wrote: |
There is always an exception to any rule. However, the OP is calling for a general rule relating to whether he will get credit for time worked in Korea back in public schools in the US. |
Thanks to the beauty of federalism in public education, there really is no general rule in the US for my and Oigirl's experiences to be an exception to. Nor did I have any experience that led me to believe that my experiences were exceptional. I interviewed at two districts that made it to the salary negotiation stage and both were willing to pay me more for my overseas experiences.
If you can find districts that will not pay more for teaching experience in Korea, this will only further prove my point: It varies from district to district, so the OP needs to look into the policies of the district or districts where he plans to teach. |
Again, you didn't address the person who could get these hours then would have to transfer a different district. Maybe lightning strikes twice maybe doesn't.
Schools that might accept these years I would imagine would be in the South where the teacher unions are week and the teachers are treated as at-will employees who can be fired for wearing the wrong tie that day.
However, those districts with very strong unions I think you would find it virtually impossible to do that. These unions work very hard to keep the pay levels high and not outside exceptions tear down their pay-benefit schedlue. These districts would be actively involved that the teacher not receive a single year of teaching at a non-accredited school |
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loose_ends
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:02 pm Post subject: Re: Teaching abroad -> career building? |
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Actually, I live in Canada. I should've made it clear earlier.
And what I'm asking is more of a general question, not specifically about public schools in Canada but it would be nice to know. I'm just wondering if work experience in Korea (hagwon vs public school) would be counted as "teaching experience" in N. America (Canada in particular). |
Yes it would. Experience is experience. Will you get more money for this experience, probably not. Will you be a better teacher because of it, for sure. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:51 pm Post subject: Re: Teaching abroad -> career building? |
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| olsanairbase wrote: |
| Son Deureo! wrote: |
| olsanairbase wrote: |
There is always an exception to any rule. However, the OP is calling for a general rule relating to whether he will get credit for time worked in Korea back in public schools in the US. |
Thanks to the beauty of federalism in public education, there really is no general rule in the US for my and Oigirl's experiences to be an exception to. Nor did I have any experience that led me to believe that my experiences were exceptional. I interviewed at two districts that made it to the salary negotiation stage and both were willing to pay me more for my overseas experiences.
If you can find districts that will not pay more for teaching experience in Korea, this will only further prove my point: It varies from district to district, so the OP needs to look into the policies of the district or districts where he plans to teach. |
Again, you didn't address the person who could get these hours then would have to transfer a different district. Maybe lightning strikes twice maybe doesn't.
Schools that might accept these years I would imagine would be in the South where the teacher unions are week and the teachers are treated as at-will employees who can be fired for wearing the wrong tie that day.
However, those districts with very strong unions I think you would find it virtually impossible to do that. These unions work very hard to keep the pay levels high and not outside exceptions tear down their pay-benefit schedlue. These districts would be actively involved that the teacher not receive a single year of teaching at a non-accredited school |
The district that was willing to give me credit for 5 years was Baltimore County. I do not know how strong their union is, as I ended up not taking the job. The small town that gave me credit for two years was in upstate New York. That district has a famously ferocious union.
Look Olsan, I have no idea if my experience is the norm or not. There are thousands of school districts in the US with different policies on this matter. I have heard of districts which will give credit on their salary scales for overseas teaching experience. I was offered jobs by two of them. Oigirl attested to schools paying more for her teaching experience in her state. I've heard of other districts in upstate NY (I know several public school teachers there, including some who have taught in Korea) that offer extra pay for overseas teaching experience. NYSUT is a pretty damn strong union, and they don't seem to have a problem with this.
My experience and those of my colleagues suggest that at the very least, there are several exceptions to your "general rule", if there is one at all.
My advice to anyone teaching here who is planning on going back to the US to teach is that they should research the policies of the districts they're considering teaching in, if this is a factor in their decision.
None of this helps the OP, since it turns out he's planning on teaching in Canada. Trying to generalize about educational policy in the US is hard enough, but for "North America"? Forget it! |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| sirius black wrote: |
| Wouldn't a command of French be much more useful in Canada? I know Vancouver has a fair number of Koreans so knowing Korean there and possibly a multiethnic city like Toronto would be useful. Anyo on hands teaching experience is a positive towards getting a job as a teacher. |
Well, I AM a Korean-Canadian guy who speaks Korean and a decent command of French (Parisian). Then again, I don't really want to work in South Korea.
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| None of this helps the OP, since it turns out he's planning on teaching in Canada. Trying to generalize about educational policy in the US is hard enough, but for "North America"? Forget it! |
Would that include the Mexican education system too? |
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sirius black
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| Are you and the OP one and the same? the OP's screen name is dyc, yours isn't. My post was meant for that person. I'm a bit confused?? |
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olsanairbase
Joined: 30 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:10 am Post subject: Re: Teaching abroad -> career building? |
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| Son Deureo! wrote: |
| olsanairbase wrote: |
| Son Deureo! wrote: |
| olsanairbase wrote: |
There is always an exception to any rule. However, the OP is calling for a general rule relating to whether he will get credit for time worked in Korea back in public schools in the US. |
Thanks to the beauty of federalism in public education, there really is no general rule in the US for my and Oigirl's experiences to be an exception to. Nor did I have any experience that led me to believe that my experiences were exceptional. I interviewed at two districts that made it to the salary negotiation stage and both were willing to pay me more for my overseas experiences.
If you can find districts that will not pay more for teaching experience in Korea, this will only further prove my point: It varies from district to district, so the OP needs to look into the policies of the district or districts where he plans to teach. |
Again, you didn't address the person who could get these hours then would have to transfer a different district. Maybe lightning strikes twice maybe doesn't.
Schools that might accept these years I would imagine would be in the South where the teacher unions are week and the teachers are treated as at-will employees who can be fired for wearing the wrong tie that day.
However, those districts with very strong unions I think you would find it virtually impossible to do that. These unions work very hard to keep the pay levels high and not outside exceptions tear down their pay-benefit schedlue. These districts would be actively involved that the teacher not receive a single year of teaching at a non-accredited school |
The district that was willing to give me credit for 5 years was Baltimore County. I do not know how strong their union is, as I ended up not taking the job. The small town that gave me credit for two years was in upstate New York. That district has a famously ferocious union.
Look Olsan, I have no idea if my experience is the norm or not. There are thousands of school districts in the US with different policies on this matter. I have heard of districts which will give credit on their salary scales for overseas teaching experience. I was offered jobs by two of them. Oigirl attested to schools paying more for her teaching experience in her state. I've heard of other districts in upstate NY (I know several public school teachers there, including some who have taught in Korea) that offer extra pay for overseas teaching experience. NYSUT is a pretty damn strong union, and they don't seem to have a problem with this.
My experience and those of my colleagues suggest that at the very least, there are several exceptions to your "general rule", if there is one at all.
My advice to anyone teaching here who is planning on going back to the US to teach is that they should research the policies of the districts they're considering teaching in, if this is a factor in their decision.
None of this helps the OP, since it turns out he's planning on teaching in Canada. Trying to generalize about educational policy in the US is hard enough, but for "North America"? Forget it! |
Granted, I don't know anything about Baltimore County and I don't know about anything about upstate New York. Anything past Colorado to me is "back East". In fact I know as much as those places as you have clearly indicated you know about transferability in California or with the DODEA. That is exactly why I responded to your comment. My initial concern is that anyone who took your original post as a basis that they would get credit then that same person would be very disappointed if they were to try to get those years of service recognized in all the districts that I am currently aware of. The districts I am familiar with require more than the word of mouth of someone and they usually require documentation and proof that is verifiable without having to fly or call people overseas-otherwise it would be quite easy for anyone to fabricate years of service in this manner.
I never discredited that someone could get credit at a school. I said that no teacher in school districts I am familiar with would grant credit for those years. Honestly, I think it is great if someone can get credit for their years of experience teaching overseas. But I think anyone (who may read this post) should be cautious to make sure that the district where they want to work will grant them credit BEFORE they waste time premised on a possible belief of what your post that said they would receive. This also applies to those who may want to start in one of your type of districts that grant the years and then wants to transfer those same years to a district (like the ones in California and the DODEA) that don't grant them, because even though they get those years recognized in your district they will then lose them if they transfer to a district that doesn't recognize them (I guess that writes off California and the DODEA for you doesn't it?). In short, it's better to err in caution.
However, maybe I am mistaken maybe you have some insights into the transferability of years of service to California public school districts and the DODEA. If so, please enlighten me with your immortal wisdom . |
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lonestarteacher
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| Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:11 am Post subject: |
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If you're working in the U.S. spanish is probably the best second language to learn as a teacher. In some areas you will be hired quicker and get a bump in pay for being a bilingual teacher that knows english and spanish. Learning Korean is never a bad thing but given the choice by schools in America, spanish is almost always much better than Korean. If you don't mind the low pay, teaching english in a country that speaks spanish so you can get fluent may be a way to go.
If your intention is to work back home it may be good prepare as much by getting certifications like TEFL while you're abroad to increase your ability to get hired. |
It is a growing trend in Texas that you can't even be hired as a new teacher without even the most basic grasping of the Spanish language. Half the elementary schools in the Austin school district have more bilingual classrooms than English only classrooms... |
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olsanairbase
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Couple of other points on transferability of credit of teaching experience. First, many districts have a maximum number of transferable years of teaching experience. Most districts have it set at 10 years of service, but there are some elementary school districts that have it as low as 5 years of service. Second, is the public retirement system that teachers pay into and there is no transfer of years teaching overseas into that state or federal retirement system. So, each year you teach abroad you also could have been putting years into a tax sheltered teacher annuity back at home.
Third, it is important to realize that it isn't just about the loss of income for the years of service but moreover for the impact that those lost years on the scale. Most scales are not very dramatic changes for years 1-5 for most districts but are instead scaled and skewed to reward those who make to year 15-20 in the district. If you teach overseas for 5 years which you won't get credit for back at home then you could be looking at a sizeable loss of your overall retirement pay when you do choose to retire since it will be based on 5 years less than it would have been had you received credit for those years on the scale; retirement being set on your last year of service. Just extra things to consider in making a more informative decision relating to "career building" |
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happiness
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im wondering how valid the concept of career building is with the current job market that MAY take a year or two or more to right itself...i know alot of guys use this expression, but I kinda feel its a outdated term, like something from the 90s. how many people are working in the field of their majors or the same job over long periods of time, save lawyers and doctors and specialty fields?
at my job now, where ive been for 6 years altogether, we have had one harvard attendee (didnt grad) and now they have a masters holder who writes papers (why I dont know) who teaches kids to say hi how are you.
seems like the more varied things you can claim you can tailor a new resume towards that job when you find it, no? Korean? i think it would be an asset, speaking spanish is best though maybe |
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