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silkhighway

Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada

Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:43 pm Post subject:

Mr. Pink wrote:

morrisonhotel wrote:

Mr. Pink wrote:

5) Korea focuses on math from an early age and has a better system of teaching it than Canada. It seems that Korea rewards "good" math teachers so that they are able to retain excellent math teachers in both schools and hawgwons. In Canada those good with math usually go into something more lucrative.

Interesting. One of my friends was a math teacher for the best part of 3 decades before coming to Korea. He told me that the teaching of math here is abysmal. Mind you, he's not from Canada.

I never had a decent math teacher. They are in SO much demand, there are lots of people who go and take the minimum qualifications to teach math just so they can get a job. How can that sort of teacher compare to someone with a 4 year math degree who knows math inside and out?

Even as a secondary subject, in Ontario and most other provinces you need 18 credits of university math. That will probably include a full year of calculus, linear algebra/stats, and most likely at least one course that will give you an introduction to mathematical rigour That's enough to teach high school.

Seoul'n'Corea

Joined: 06 Nov 2008

Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:39 pm Post subject:

blm wrote:

Seoul'n'Corea wrote:

Right, I'd also like to point out that there are NO international(overseas) Korean schools in other countries.
Funny how that works.

Maybe i'm misunderstanding you but their are Korean schools in Japan and Australia* and I read an article about hogwons in America.

*It's not really possible to start a full time regular Korean school in Australia so they have a saturday school and the kids go to their regular private/public school monday to friday and Korean school on Saturday.

There are NO international Korean schools abroad that are Korean govt funded, SMOE or GEPIK funded. Hogwans are NOT Korean schools, they are businesses. Korean schools in Australia are run by local Korean community leaders because no parent in their right mind wants to send their child to Korean edu system and waste their time in Australia.
btw, the Korean schools in Japan are North Korean funded owned and operated. They are running within standards of Japanese edu system.

jrwhite82

Joined: 22 May 2010

Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:08 pm Post subject:

some waygug-in wrote:

Co-teaching probably can work well when you have 2 people who can communicate with each other, plan their lessons together and help each other out.

What usually happens in Korean PS classes though is pretty much the opposite.

I wonder what kind of training the Korean coteachers receive in coteaching strategies. I learned a little bit about it in my Special Education course...but not a lot. Then, we were supposed to go over it at the orientation for GEPIK. But the presentation on coteaching seemed like it was just a bunch of different activities that had nothing to do with coteaching. Great activities....but I missed the coteaching part of it. And even still, one 1-hour lecture hardly prepares you for a years worth of work.

jvalmer

Joined: 06 Jun 2003

Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:20 pm Post subject:

Seoul'n'Corea wrote:

blm wrote:

Seoul'n'Corea wrote:

Right, I'd also like to point out that there are NO international(overseas) Korean schools in other countries.
Funny how that works.

There is one in Hong Kong.
http://www.kis.edu.hk/
There are numerous Korean International schools catering to Korean ex-pats in many countries. The reason being that student's parents do intend to return to Korea and want their kids to able to integrate with no problems when they go back.

I think what you're getting at is that there are no Korean International schools abroad that cater to non-Korean speakers. Of course there wouldn't be, only Koreans would want their kids learning in Korean. Also, many countries also do not allow International Schools, and even though some are called international school they are just elite private schools that ex-pats send their kids to.

As for funding, not that many countries fund schools outside of their own borders. International schools are usually private.

Caffeinated

Joined: 11 Feb 2010

Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:27 pm Post subject:

Physical education, music and technology education for elementary students. I also like the random bits of English that happens outside of English class, such as morning cartoons.

legrande

Joined: 23 Nov 2010

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:46 am Post subject:

Seoul'n'Corea wrote:

blm wrote:

Seoul'n'Corea wrote:

Right, I'd also like to point out that there are NO international(overseas) Korean schools in other countries.
Funny how that works.

There is a junior/senior high in Japan called the Tokyo-Korean school funded in part by the South Korean government. Members of the board include yakuza. Some of the Korean teachers are required to fill in monthly reports regarding various topics in Japan and send them in to ROK officials.

tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:05 am Post subject:

jrwhite82 wrote:

I wonder what kind of training the Korean coteachers receive in coteaching strategies.

Probably espionage techniques, like wiretapping and computer hacking.

legrande

Joined: 23 Nov 2010

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:12 am Post subject:

tomato wrote:

jrwhite82 wrote:

I wonder what kind of training the Korean coteachers receive in coteaching strategies.

Probably espionage techniques, like wiretapping and computer hacking.

Those reports some Korean teachers write up in Tokyo are essentially to do with espionage.

some waygug-in

Joined: 25 Jan 2003

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:45 am Post subject:

jrwhite82 wrote:

some waygug-in wrote:

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Exactly. The curriculum was not designed for co-teaching, nothing was done to prepare the Korean staff to deal with co-teaching, it is usually just thrust upon a teacher at the beginning of the year with little or no warning. Is it any wonder that the Kt's often harbor resentment against the NET before they even arrive?

The KT is not only forced to teach a subject that they are not competent in teaching, but are forced to babysit us as well. I'm not saying this happens in all cases but certainly in rural schools the KT has to arrange everything for the NET; doctor's appointments, trips to immigration, all the paperwork, hooking up services at the apartment and on and on.

Looking at it from their perspective, I have no doubt that the average KT would absolutely hate to be designated handler for an incoming NET.
Their workload is double that of a regular classroom teacher. Shocked

I wonder how many of the new incoming NET's are aware of this.

I know this doesn't happen in some areas as they have people working outside the school who take care of these things. When I worked in Gimhae school district, the staff at city hall would look after a lot of these things, but there was still piles of extra work that my co-teachers had to do for me.

Co-teaching in many cases just results in creating a bad atmosphere between the NET and the KT.

Seoul'n'Corea

Joined: 06 Nov 2008

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:45 am Post subject:

jvalmer wrote:

Seoul'n'Corea wrote:

blm wrote:

Seoul'n'Corea wrote:

Right, I'd also like to point out that there are NO international(overseas) Korean schools in other countries.
Funny how that works.

Dude, just because it says KIS, doesn't mean it's Korean education. Read the fine print. Its a Cambridge (UK) based school. Curriculum is English and Korean. HK is largely UK based school territory.
As I stand by my word that NO parent including Korean parent will send their kids abroad to waste $45,000 -60,000 USD on crap education they can find in Korea.

jvalmer

Joined: 06 Jun 2003

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:51 am Post subject:

Seoul'n'Corea wrote:

jvalmer wrote:

Seoul'n'Corea wrote:

blm wrote:

Seoul'n'Corea wrote:

Right, I'd also like to point out that there are NO international(overseas) Korean schools in other countries.
Funny how that works.

It's an international school targeted for Koreans. The Korean section is based on the Korean curriculum. You said there were no Korean International Schools, you are wrong.

tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:20 pm Post subject:

jvalmer wrote:

It's an international school targeted for Koreans. The Korean section is based on the Korean curriculum. You said there were no Korean International Schools, you are wrong.

Is it really that important?

jvalmer

Joined: 06 Jun 2003

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:32 pm Post subject:

tomato wrote:

jvalmer wrote:

It's an international school targeted for Koreans. The Korean section is based on the Korean curriculum. You said there were no Korean International Schools, you are wrong.

Is it really that important?

Not really. Don't know why I even bother, sometimes it's like talking to a wall.

EleLew

Joined: 25 Jan 2011

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:06 pm Post subject:

I think it is mostly cultural. Koreans value education more than anything! This effects every citizen and gives them a sense of national pride! My Fiance is looking for a consultant job in Korea, and the competition is so fierce that in order to even be considered you have to score at least a 99%

Seoul'n'Corea

Joined: 06 Nov 2008

Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:35 am Post subject:

EleLew wrote:

I think it is mostly cultural. Koreans value education more than anything! This effects every citizen and gives them a sense of national pride! My Fiance is looking for a consultant job in Korea, and the competition is so fierce that in order to even be considered you have to score at least a 99%

Which is why there is a growing unemployment among youth here.
Again Korean education within Korea is stifling productivity in the marketplace.

My comment stands that Korean education overseas doesn't resemble anything remotely like k Ed inside Korea.
It's amalgamated with other foundations.

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