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[mises]

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[mises]

Islam is not a race. Being critical - even hostile (as am I) of Islam is not racist.

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I'm not moved by the argument that muslims should be kept out of the West because of terrorism. They should be kept out because diversity undermines social cohesion. The divide and conquer strategy is real and really effective.

This is especially important in Europe. Europe is the homeland of the European people and should be as European as possible. "Some" have forced mass-immigration on Europe and this was not done to benefit Europe. It was done to weaken Europe. The same goes for Canada, Aus, NZ and the USA. The one country that is going to benefit from large immigration is Singapore, and anybody who goes there will notice the total absence of Somalians.

[stilicho25]

Mises immigration only remains a problem if the immigrants remain distinct. As long as the gov sets the stage for integration, immigrants have and will succesfully acclimatize to local culture and customs. Whats wrong with that? Does it matter if a Swede is blonde as long as he speaks Swedish, loves meatballs, and reads Stieg Larson?

[Junior]

[Fox]

[stilicho25]

I have to disagree Fox. I don't think the primary cause of Islamic terrorism is the wars. Although they certainly don't help, I think what happened to Africa in the 60's through the 80's is happening now in the middle east. Colonial structures imposed (or based on western ideas ) are collapsing in the face of what locals want. In some cases what the locals want is a domestic but liberal brand of modernity, such as Tunisia, but in Pakistan its a complete rejection of modernity, or at least the social aspects. This is a fault line that has been active for a while and is coming to a cataclysmic climax, but most of the pressure is domestic. Having said that, we were stupid to get involved.

[Fox]

[northway]

[Kuros]

[mises]

[Junior]

[northway]

My issue is with your characterization that all Muslims are the same. You essentially say that if you don't follow those backwards sixth century beliefs you're not a Muslim. The problem with this argument is that you can make it for any religion. I gather from your posts that you're a Christian, yet I highly doubt that you follow biblical law in your everyday life. Essentially, you claim that Muslims all support terrorism and if they don't then they're not real Muslims.

Indonesia is the world's largest Muslim country, and generally practices an vary moderate brand of Islam. Yes, there are areas where fundamentalism is practiced (Aceh), but they're very much in the minority. Indonesia's Muslims are not alone. Liberal Islam exists all over the world. I'm assuming you've never bothered studying the faith, but there is immense nuance within it. You repeatedly pick and choose negative tenets of the faith that are by no means practiced by all, then proceed to project them as pillars of Islam that all real Muslims follow.

Nowhere have you offered any statistics to back your claims that the vast majority of Muslims support terrorism. Is the majority of terrorism committed by Muslims? I don't doubt that for a second. But that doesn't conflate to Muslims all being in favor of it. Your statistics do nothing to prove this point.

[stilicho25]

Northway, I have held my tongue till now, but I don't think you are correct. While Junior's claim that all Muslims are terrorists has been rightfully shot down, the truth is that many Muslim countries have cultures completely at odds with what the west or even far east would consider modern behaviour.

I am not saying that the entirety of the Islamic world is like Pakistan, but there are large portions of it that are.

http://pewglobal.org/2009/08/13/pakistani-public-opinion/

With a large majority supporting the death penalty for someone leaving a religion, and for killing adulterers I am comfortable in saying there is a massive problem that is specific to their religion.

I am not saying its our buisiness to change the way they behave in their own country, but I am surely not going to tolerate anything like that in my home country. I think the reason I would want to side with Junior over you in this argument, is that Junior at least sees the problem, even if it is exgerated, or some sense of religious hostility.

[northway]

[stilicho25]

I would argue that they are not popular because they kill large numbers of muslims. If they were killing Christians, Hindus or Jews I don't think their popularity would be sinking. Notice that support for the fundamentalist policies remains quite high, just that they don't agree with the talibans implentation of the policy.

As for the rest, I agree. No religion of today is really "old school" and for good reason. Thomas More burned people for believing in different interpretations of an old book. I can't wrap my head around that... and he was a humanist. I shudder to think of what victims of the inquisition suffered.