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[Privateer]

Apropos of the thread, this funny cartoon:

http://www.credoaction.com/comics/2011/01/isolated-incidents/

[Kuros]

Anyway, Arizona gun laws are way too permissive for my tastes. AZ allows purchase of a shotgun, rifle, or handgun without a permit, registration, or license. These freedoms go far beyond the very minimal guarantees the Federal Constitution requires.

BTW, I'm not saying I believe that lax AZ gun regulations caused this incident. But it seems relevant.

[caniff]

I hear AZ is a prime source of weapons for the Mexican drug cartels.

[nero]

Gun culture is founded on the belief that if someone pushes you too far you have a right to shoot them. Of course there's some variation within the community as to what that constitutes. Some would say that if a wild animal gets into your neighborhood and causes trouble you have a right to shoot it. Some would say a criminal who trespasses on your property or tries to steal from you or that you otherwise believe poses a threat to you or people you care about. Some would say that you have a right to use firearms against people who work for the government as a form of civil disobedience. Some would say you could shoot your spouse in the heat of anger if you caught him or her in the act of cheating on you.

In all these cases the gun owner is the self-appointed judge and jury in enforcing the death penalty against another living creature. Why do people think it's such a leap from that to shoot your children for disobeying you, or a politician or a cop or people at the place where you work or a group of people in a restaurant or a bunch of children in a schoolyard for representing something that makes you mad or frightens you?

It's as simple as this: people who own guns have the power of life and death over other people in a way that unarmed people don't, and the more gun owners there are the more likely it is that some self-justified person is going to shoot somebody. This is the world that the gun industry and the useful idiots that buy its products and enforce its agenda in Congress have given you.

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[Kuros]

[nero]

"Now-in England last year, they had fourteen deaths from handguns. FFFFFourteen. Now-the United States, and I think you know how we feel about handguns-woooo, I'm getting a warm tingly feeling just saying the fucking word, to be honest with you. I swear to you, I am hard.

Twenty-three thousand deaths from handguns. Now let's go through those numbers again, because they're a little baffling at first glance. England, where few people have guns, fffffffourteen deaths. United States, and I think you know how we feel about guns-woooo, I'm getting a stiffy-twenty-three thousand deaths from handguns. But there's no connection, and you'd be a fool and a Communist to make one.

There's no connection between having a gun and shooting someone with it, and not having a gun and not shooting someone."

-Bill Hicks

[comm]

Nero: you seem to be implying that being stabbed or beaten to death is fine, as long as guns weren't involved. The more relevant statistic (assuming being beaten to death is -not- ok with you) is the rate of intentional homicides. That list is here. Unfortunately, the U.S. rate of 5/100,000 includes attempted homicide, whereas the UK rate of 1.28/100,000 does not include attempted homicide.

The reality is that there isn't a massive difference between the number of people being intentionally killed in the U.S. or the UK. The difference is that the English have to pray to their government for protection from criminals and pray to their god for protection from their government. Americans have the right to empower themselves against either.

[Kuros]

[stilicho25]

I disagree completely. Any regulation of firearms is not in the majorities best interest, and is only a sign of the times where the government feels it has the right to trample the traditional rights of Americans. However, I do hope the democrats keep on beating that drum, so that the right can completely crush them in the next election. As things are going though, it looks like by the next election Obama will be on the right...

[nero]

What am I suggesting...rewrite the Bill of Rights?
No. The problem isn't just guns, it's also the level of violence in that country. Until America embraces diversity; until it provides basic services for its citizens; until it ceases to cater to religious bigots...then the violence rate will keep increasing.

I know a lot of other countries (including my own) are exceptionally violent. I feel far safer in my country knowing very few people have guns. When guns are in the hands of people, 'accidents' easily happen.

Just so you know the public health implications of your having a gun in your house for protection:

You are at least 10 times more likely to die from a gun than I am (I have no guns in my home), if you have children they are some 20 times more likely to die from a gun than children without a gun in their home.

Just what are you protecting? I suggest your perception of what you need to do to protect yourself is based on a false sense of security or insecurity. It is not 1827, and you do not live in a community without law or inforcement.

To the poster who says that we will be at the mercy of criminals and lousy cops... criminals and lousy cops are not and never have been the priniciple source of gun violence. You are most likely to be killed by the gun of someone you know (who has access to a gun.)

The weapon ensures a death. The weapon is used by people. People are likely to err, in heated situations. What is so hard for you to understand?

You lot are incredibly simple-minded.

[stilicho25]

Argh. Embrace diversity? I think embracing diversity is what got us into this mess. Just pick a couple succesful family rearing strategies, like 2 parent homes, emphasis on strict education, and firm parenting, and obiediance when reasonable to authority and you would solve most of the problems afflicting the country. No need for any more abridgements of any rights. Anti-social behaviour is the failure to socialize our kids, not because they have too many rights.

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