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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| I've lost count of how many lesson plans & articles I've been required to contribute to public school "texts" that were subsequently printed, shelved, & never revisited. Its easier to oblige than squawk. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:52 am Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
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Or do the project well and have something to show as a part of your teaching portfolio when you look for another (perhaps better) job later on.
Sometimes looking further than whats in your face can lend perspective.
You should really be wary or trying to start somesort of teachers rebellion with your fellow Foreign Teachers. First of all that will sink you faster than anything else you could do at your school.
Simply refusing to do the work based on your contract is in that perspective far more intelligent than trying to rouse up other teachers. Also, other teachers may actually be interested in the project and that can be for many reasons. This does not make them pushovers or losers by the way.
Since every contract tends to include clauses along the lines of "other duties related to teaching" then you may be out of contractual luck here.
By the way, developing a textbook does take time as was said here. However, developing a textbook as a team can speed up the process to a certain degree. Producing a textbook as a team and getting a good result will certainly add to your resume.
Still completely up to you. |
Pretty good advice, if you all can work together. |
That is indeed the key NYC Gal! Team projects are often the most challenging because of the team itself! |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:53 am Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| A cool benefit is that you have something to show for it. One of my uni teaching friends has his own workbook, and he uses it for privates (he's on an F visa). |
Precisely! |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:46 am Post subject: |
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I stand corrected then.
But I will add 1 more comment;
I have seen and have had to use (at times) some of the 'results' of these kinds of projects and I dare say, I'd rather be using something that was already published (outside of Korea), proof-read, organized into some kind of logical order and had at least some sense of the student level it is intended for.
Stuff off the internet is usually better than most of the in-house 'slop-filled textbooks'
I've seen.
So if you're going to do it, please try and do a good job of it.
I still think the approach posted by "shifty" on page 1 of this thread is the best idea.
If the poster worked at a PS, I would agree, he should have plenty of time to work on this, but hagwon teachers don't have the luxury of time. |
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:18 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| A cool benefit is that you have something to show for it. One of my uni teaching friends has his own workbook, and he uses it for privates (he's on an F visa). |
Precisely! |
This is all very misleading. Anything produced by kingofcheap will have the name Avalon plastered all over it. Rightly so since it will belong to them.
And I don't think kingofcheap will be silly enough to add any cobbled book to his/her resume. What if the prospective employer wants to see it if only for a laugh? |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:22 am Post subject: |
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Not misleading in the least.
The book would not belong to the OP but the work he did on the book would be a nice addition to his resume. If the book turns out to be crap, then the OP still would have acquired some skills he could use later. In such a case, the OP does not need to add the work he did on the book to his resume. |
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Not misleading in the least.
The book would not belong to the OP but the work he did on the book would be a nice addition to his resume. If the book turns out to be crap, then the OP still would have acquired some skills he could use later. In such a case, the OP does not need to add the work he did on the book to his resume. |
This post makes my head swim. When exactly is 'later'? Do you want us all to be like you and in Korea forever?
Have a heart!! |
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Perceptioncheck
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:53 am Post subject: |
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| shifty wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Not misleading in the least.
The book would not belong to the OP but the work he did on the book would be a nice addition to his resume. If the book turns out to be crap, then the OP still would have acquired some skills he could use later. In such a case, the OP does not need to add the work he did on the book to his resume. |
This post makes my head swim. When exactly is 'later'? Do you want us all to be like you and in Korea forever?
Have a heart!! |
Shifty, I think he's talking about the mightiest skill of all; being able to bend over and take it from our Korean Overlords without making a sound! |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:32 am Post subject: |
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| shifty wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Not misleading in the least.
The book would not belong to the OP but the work he did on the book would be a nice addition to his resume. If the book turns out to be crap, then the OP still would have acquired some skills he could use later. In such a case, the OP does not need to add the work he did on the book to his resume. |
This post makes my head swim. When exactly is 'later'? Do you want us all to be like you and in Korea forever?
Have a heart!! |
Hmm later could be a subsequent job in Korea, a subsequent teaching job in another country, a job working for a company that produces textbooks, a eaching job back home...
The point: if done well this type of task adds to your resume and improves your employability.
Then again, those concepts are lost on you shifty...carry on.  |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:33 am Post subject: |
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| Perceptioncheck wrote: |
| shifty wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Not misleading in the least.
The book would not belong to the OP but the work he did on the book would be a nice addition to his resume. If the book turns out to be crap, then the OP still would have acquired some skills he could use later. In such a case, the OP does not need to add the work he did on the book to his resume. |
This post makes my head swim. When exactly is 'later'? Do you want us all to be like you and in Korea forever?
Have a heart!! |
Shifty, I think he's talking about the mightiest skill of all; being able to bend over and take it from our Korean Overlords without making a sound! |
Wow...you two are quite the pair. Good luck with your respective futures. |
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Quack Addict
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| Voyeur wrote: |
You may be approaching it from the wrong angle. Instead of trying to get your other teachers to join you in open rebellion, find out what they actually intend on doing.
It seems unlikely that they will truly put in hundreds of hours on top of intensives. So maybe you don't need to put a target on your back and can just join and hide with the herd. All of you can do a half ass, 95% plagiarized off the internet job and all benefit from the protection of doing it in a crowd.
Sometimes you can't just say "NO". You can say yes, and then as you negotiate the details of the task minimalize it into nothingness.
In the end there is no morality at play here. It is supply and demand. A question of leverage. Korean Managers feel they have more power to try and get more out of teachers for less because of the recession at home and abundant supply. They are probably right to some extent, though a bit short-sighted in their policy for other reasons. Nevertheless, they probably won't care about firing you if you make a stink. It is easy to say you can always get another job. But it isn't quite as easy to get a decent one here anymore. And you have to think about the documents - do you have them in order for a quick change of Visas and jobs? (tbh not sure what the requirements are for quitting and finding new work anymore - you would have to check).
Sometimes in life, they have you by the short and curlies and you just have to bend over and take it. It depends on your situation. |
Brilliant! |
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Perceptioncheck
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Perceptioncheck wrote: |
| shifty wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Not misleading in the least.
The book would not belong to the OP but the work he did on the book would be a nice addition to his resume. If the book turns out to be crap, then the OP still would have acquired some skills he could use later. In such a case, the OP does not need to add the work he did on the book to his resume. |
This post makes my head swim. When exactly is 'later'? Do you want us all to be like you and in Korea forever?
Have a heart!! |
Shifty, I think he's talking about the mightiest skill of all; being able to bend over and take it from our Korean Overlords without making a sound! |
Wow...you two are quite the pair. Good luck with your respective futures. |
Wow. . .you really are astonishingly condescending. Be careful not to fall off that high horse! |
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:30 am Post subject: |
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Then again, those concepts are lost on you shifty. |
Ouch!! |
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stevieg4ever
Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:54 am Post subject: |
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welcome to Korea!
Our school does this in order that the students dont have to buy textbooks and thus makes their programme look good moreover cheap! My coteacher ended up doing 80% of the work and i just printed out a load of stuff from bogglesworld.
Its bs to me but if you don't do it and others do it will make you look bad and if the situation escalates then you may find your situation with Avalon deteriorates and fast. It may also effect your renewal.
And don't worry about Patrick, dear Patrick. Lunatics, asylum and all of that.... |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:12 am Post subject: |
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I worked for a haggie that tried this as well.
I ended up getting a bunch of different books and materials together and just photo-copying a sort of mini text every week.
The school had no internet or computer that I could use, so I had to go to the bookstores and buy what I needed.
There's no way in God's green Earth I would have had time to think up, write and
arrange, edit and then print all that and still keep up with classes, just no way.
The place ended up not paying me after a few months and I had to leave sans quite a bit of money. If a school is too cheap to buy books (or have students buy real books) it's probably not a good sign.
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