Site Search:
 
Speak Korean Now!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

tax exemption for public school teachers :S help!!

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Job-related Discussion Forum
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
wotsit2004



Joined: 17 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:13 am    Post subject: tax exemption for public school teachers :S help!! Reply with quote

hi

im really confused about the tax exemption that can be claimed by public school teachers. im from the uk, and like many other countries, the uk has a double taxation agreement with korea. i thought this meant that i would not have to pay tax to both countries, but i would have to pay tax to one of the countries. so i thought that if i submit a uk residence certificate, i am liable to paying uk taxes. (american citizens do not have to pay tax when working abroad as long as they earn less than $90000 or so, but i dont think theres a rule like that for british citizens. this means that when american citizens submit a US residence certificate, they may be liable to US taxes, but just dont pay any because theyre not earning more than ~$90000. so it could be different for americans.)

when i checked the UK-korea double taxation agreement online, it said:

Subject to paragraph (2) of this Article, an individual who visits one of the Contracting States for a period not exceeding two years for the purpose of teaching or engaging in research at a university, college, school or other similar educational institution which is recognised as non-profit seeking by the Government of that Contracting State, and who immediately before that visit was a resident of the other Contracting State, shall be taxable only in that other State on any remuneration for such teaching or research for a period not exceeding two years from the date he first visits that State for such purpose.

this looks like i have to pay uk taxes if im exempt from korean taxes. (and uk tax is much higher than korean tax.)

HOWEVER.. when i called the korean national tax service, they told me i would be exempt from paying uk and korean tax, and that if a korean comes to the uk to work in education, theyll also be exempt from both uk and korean tax.if i declare myself a non-resident of the uk, i dont think i will be liable to uk taxes if im out of the country for a full tax year. the korean national tax service advisor told me that the residence certificate just proves that i have been a resident of the uk - not that i still am a resident; and that it whats important; and thats why im not liable to uk tax.

so this seems to be contradictory to what i read in the double taxation agreement. i dont want to be exempt from korean tax if it means i will have to pay uk tax, so im not sure whether or not i should hand in a uk residence certificate to become exempt from korean tax.

can anyone help explain this to me?

thank you
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
nathanrutledge



Joined: 01 May 2008
Location: Marakesh

PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You pay taxes in one country or the other, not both. If you're working for a school, you don't have to pay taxes for two years. That's it. So, you pay Korean taxes, and not UK, but you get an exemption, so you pay nothing. EOS.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
hanams



Joined: 05 Oct 2010
Location: Sydney

PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does that mean that there will be no deductions at the end of every month (of withheld tax)? Or do we get a tax return at the end of the year?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
isitts



Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:49 am    Post subject: Re: tax exemption for public school teachers :S help!! Reply with quote

wotsit2004 wrote:
hi

im really confused about the tax exemption that can be claimed by public school teachers. im from the uk, and like many other countries, the uk has a double taxation agreement with korea. i thought this meant that i would not have to pay tax to both countries, but i would have to pay tax to one of the countries. so i thought that if i submit a uk residence certificate, i am liable to paying uk taxes. (american citizens do not have to pay tax when working abroad as long as they earn less than $90000 or so, but i dont think theres a rule like that for british citizens. this means that when american citizens submit a US residence certificate, they may be liable to US taxes, but just dont pay any because theyre not earning more than ~$90000. so it could be different for americans.)

when i checked the UK-korea double taxation agreement online, it said:

Subject to paragraph (2) of this Article, an individual who visits one of the Contracting States for a period not exceeding two years for the purpose of teaching or engaging in research at a university, college, school or other similar educational institution which is recognised as non-profit seeking by the Government of that Contracting State, and who immediately before that visit was a resident of the other Contracting State, shall be taxable only in that other State on any remuneration for such teaching or research for a period not exceeding two years from the date he first visits that State for such purpose.

this looks like i have to pay uk taxes if im exempt from korean taxes. (and uk tax is much higher than korean tax.)

HOWEVER.. when i called the korean national tax service, they told me i would be exempt from paying uk and korean tax, and that if a korean comes to the uk to work in education, theyll also be exempt from both uk and korean tax.if i declare myself a non-resident of the uk, i dont think i will be liable to uk taxes if im out of the country for a full tax year. the korean national tax service advisor told me that the residence certificate just proves that i have been a resident of the uk - not that i still am a resident; and that it whats important; and thats why im not liable to uk tax.

so this seems to be contradictory to what i read in the double taxation agreement. i dont want to be exempt from korean tax if it means i will have to pay uk tax, so im not sure whether or not i should hand in a uk residence certificate to become exempt from korean tax.

can anyone help explain this to me?

thank you


If you get the residency certificate, you pay tax in the UK (but not in Korea).

If you don't get the residency certificate, you pay tax in Korea (and file a foreign earned income exemption so you don't pay tax in the UK...I'm assuming you have such a form in the UK. I'm from the US).

If you get the residency certificate and file exemption back home, you can be exempt in both countries, but I don't know how easy that is for UK citizens. The US forms have a loophole that allows for this, explained on one of the stickies on this forum.

But simply put, you choose which country you want to be taxed in.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
isitts



Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hanams wrote:
Does that mean that there will be no deductions at the end of every month (of withheld tax)? Or do we get a tax return at the end of the year?


It might, if the school assumes you'll be getting the certificate. If you don't get the certificate, you'll pay a nice lump sum in Korean taxes at the end of the tax year (only about 3.3% of what you earned in that year, but it's kind of a lot to pay all at once).

Of course, if you do get the certificate, then you pay a lump sum in taxes to your home country (usually a higher tax rate).

So which is worse?

I would check with your school about that.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
hanams



Joined: 05 Oct 2010
Location: Sydney

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The tax rate at home is 29%, so I'm better off not handing in the certificate and getting taxed in Korea...

I've heard that there is a threshold for US citizens which entitle them to a tax exemption if they make less than the threshold.

Does anyone know if there is a similar protocol for Australians? I've looked on the tax office site and couldn't find anything, but hoping someone else knows some new information...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
isitts



Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hanams wrote:
The tax rate at home is 29%, so I'm better off not handing in the certificate and getting taxed in Korea...


Right, unless Australia has a similar threshold. For US citizens it's US$80,000. Then there's a way to not get taxed in either country.

But, actually... I thought I'd heard Australians don't have a foriegn earned income exemtion. In which case, it would be better to get the certificate so you only pay taxes in Australia and not in Korea (instead of paying in both countries).

But, yeah. We'd need Australian citizens to comment on that.

Excuse me while I duck out of here.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
hanams



Joined: 05 Oct 2010
Location: Sydney

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that!

Australia does have a double tax treaty with Korea so we only have to pay in one country. Very Happy

Just not too sure about the the threshold for tax exemption...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Job-related Discussion Forum All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

TEFL International Supports Dave's ESL Cafe
TEFL Courses, TESOL Course, English Teaching Jobs - TEFL International