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mises
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Kuros
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Anti-war wishes the neo-cons were still relevant.
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| �ElBaradei doesn�t live here and doesn�t know us. We need a leader who can understand Egyptians.� |
I feel the same way. He's a useful transitional figure, but he's also incredibly pompous and not necessarily the best leader. But I don't know Egypt very well. |
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mises
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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Tunisia back in the MSM:
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TUNIS, Tunisia � Police fired at an angry crowd of 1,000 attacking the police station in the northwestern town of Klef on Saturday, killing two people and injuring 17 others, the Interior Ministry said.
The official Tunisian news agency said the crowd had turned on police after the police chief "abused" a member of the community. A local journalist said the police chief slapped a woman during a demonstration, triggering the violence between police and citizens. |
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| The demonstrations that set of Tunisia's "people's revolution" began in the nation's heartland when an unemployed man in the central western town of Sidi Bouzid set himself afire Dec. 17 after police confiscated his fruit and vegetable cart because he had no legal authorization to sell. A woman police officer reportedly slapped the man in a major affront to his dignity. |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41441366/ns/world_news-africa/ |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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He actually said "deploy resources" as the form of intervention. Personally, I'm hoping that the US will "deploy resources" in the form of aid, diplomatic consultation, and eventually international election supervisors.
Regional powers (both governmental and nongovernmental) will be jockeying for position within Egypt, and the difference between a positive outcome for the Egyptian people and a negative one could be the "deployment of resources" that Dan Senor mentioned. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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| SANTA BARBARA, Calif. � Former Vice President Dick Cheney on Saturday called Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak a good friend and U.S. ally, and he urged the Obama administration to move cautiously as turmoil continued to shake that nation's government. |
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| I think President Mubarak needs to be treated as he deserved over the years, because he has been a good friend," Cheney said at an event commemorating the centennial of President Ronald Reagan's birth. |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41444595/ns/politics-more_politics/
Hosni and Dick are tight, so everybody outta just settle down. |
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Madigan
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President Hosni Mubarak's family fortune could be as much as $70bn (�43.5bn) according to analysis by Middle East experts, with much of his wealth in British and Swiss banks or tied up in real estate in London, New York, Los Angeles and along expensive tracts of the Red Sea coast.
After 30 years as president and many more as a senior military official, Mubarak has had access to investment deals that have generated hundreds of millions of pounds in profits. Most of those gains have been taken offshore and deposited in secret bank accounts or invested in upmarket homes and hotels.
According to a report last year in the Arabic newspaper Al Khabar, Mubarak has properties in Manhattan and exclusive Beverly Hills addresses on Rodeo Drive.
His sons, Gamal and Alaa, are also billionaires. A protest outside Gamal's ostentatious home at 28 Wilton Place in Belgravia, central London, highlighted the family's appetite for western trophy assets |
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/04/hosni-mubarak-family-fortune
I, like most people here, am just an average middle class slob. I could never imagine holding so much wealth. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:55 am Post subject: |
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President Hosni Mubarak's family fortune could be as much as $70bn (�43.5bn) according to analysis by Middle East experts, with much of his wealth in British and Swiss banks or tied up in real estate in London, New York, Los Angeles and along expensive tracts of the Red Sea coast.
After 30 years as president and many more as a senior military official, Mubarak has had access to investment deals that have generated hundreds of millions of pounds in profits. Most of those gains have been taken offshore and deposited in secret bank accounts or invested in upmarket homes and hotels.
According to a report last year in the Arabic newspaper Al Khabar, Mubarak has properties in Manhattan and exclusive Beverly Hills addresses on Rodeo Drive.
His sons, Gamal and Alaa, are also billionaires. A protest outside Gamal's ostentatious home at 28 Wilton Place in Belgravia, central London, highlighted the family's appetite for western trophy assets |
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/04/hosni-mubarak-family-fortune
I, like most people here, am just an average middle class slob. I could never imagine holding so much wealth. |
Yeah, what an asshole. I really hope his family's assets are seized. |
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blade
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| Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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How could they not see this one coming?
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mises
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Here's a couple interesting links.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-envoys-business-link-to-egypt-2206329.html
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Frank Wisner, President Barack Obama's envoy to Cairo who infuriated the White House this weekend by urging Hosni Mubarak to remain President of Egypt, works for a New York and Washington law firm which works for the dictator's own Egyptian government.
Mr Wisner's astonishing remarks � "President Mubarak's continued leadership is critical: it's his opportunity to write his own legacy" � shocked the democratic opposition in Egypt and called into question Mr Obama's judgement, as well as that of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
The US State Department and Mr Wisner himself have now both claimed that his remarks were made in a "personal capacity". But there is nothing "personal" about Mr Wisner's connections with the litigation firm Patton Boggs, which openly boasts that it advises "the Egyptian military, the Egyptian Economic Development Agency, and has handled arbitrations and litigation on the [Mubarak] government's behalf in Europe and the US". Oddly, not a single journalist raised this extraordinary connection with US government officials � nor the blatant conflict of interest it appears to represent. |
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/stockholm-syndrome-nile-70-egypts-employed-work-government
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| Jaw-Dropping Payroll Numbers � No, not Friday�s snow excused mini-number. Rather, thanks to Bob Hardy of GeoStrat, a stunning assertion about Egypt. There is, as we know, a high level of unemployment, but Bob says, of those employed, 70% work for the government. No wonder there are reports that many people tire of the demonstrations and seek a return to �normal�. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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Here's a couple interesting links.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-envoys-business-link-to-egypt-2206329.html
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Frank Wisner, President Barack Obama's envoy to Cairo who infuriated the White House this weekend by urging Hosni Mubarak to remain President of Egypt, works for a New York and Washington law firm which works for the dictator's own Egyptian government.
Mr Wisner's astonishing remarks � "President Mubarak's continued leadership is critical: it's his opportunity to write his own legacy" � shocked the democratic opposition in Egypt and called into question Mr Obama's judgement, as well as that of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
The US State Department and Mr Wisner himself have now both claimed that his remarks were made in a "personal capacity". But there is nothing "personal" about Mr Wisner's connections with the litigation firm Patton Boggs, which openly boasts that it advises "the Egyptian military, the Egyptian Economic Development Agency, and has handled arbitrations and litigation on the [Mubarak] government's behalf in Europe and the US". Oddly, not a single journalist raised this extraordinary connection with US government officials � nor the blatant conflict of interest it appears to represent. |
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/stockholm-syndrome-nile-70-egypts-employed-work-government
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| Jaw-Dropping Payroll Numbers � No, not Friday�s snow excused mini-number. Rather, thanks to Bob Hardy of GeoStrat, a stunning assertion about Egypt. There is, as we know, a high level of unemployment, but Bob says, of those employed, 70% work for the government. No wonder there are reports that many people tire of the demonstrations and seek a return to �normal�. |
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I wish I could say I am surprised by these stories but sadly I'm not. The more things change, the more they stay the same. |
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caniff
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/02/08/us.egypt/index.html?hpt=T1
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Washington (CNN) -- President Barack Obama's spokesman criticized the Egyptian government on Tuesday for arresting and harassing journalists and rights activists, and called comments by Vice President Omar Suleiman that Egypt is not ready for democracy "particularly unhelpful."
The remarks by White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs reflected a growing U.S. dissatisfaction with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and Suleiman, the intelligence officer Mubarak chose as his deputy to bring about reforms demanded by protesters who have convulsed Cairo and the Egyptian economy for more than two weeks.
In another sign of U.S. frustration with the pace of reform in Egypt, Vice President Joe Biden, in a phone call Tuesday with Suleiman, pushed for more progress, according to a White House statement |
Finally! It's about time we unleashed The Biden!
(...wait, didn't we try that already?) |
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mises
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Americans are a good people with a terrible government:
http://www.salon.com/news/egyptian_protests/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/02/08/poll_americans_support_egyptians
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Gallup is out with a new national poll on Americans' views of the pro-democracy protests in Egypt. The results show that fear-mongering by some in the media about a post-Mubarak Egypt has apparently not taken hold, with huge majorities expressing sympathy for the protesters:
Overall, are you sympathetic or unsympathetic to the protestors in Egypt who have called for a change in the government?
Very sympathetic 42 | Somewhat sympathetic 40 | Somewhat unsympathetic 6 | Very unsympathetic 5 | No opinion 6
So 82 percent of Americans are sympathetic to the protesters. Among those who are "following the situation in Egypt very or somewhat closely," that number actually goes up slightly, to 87 percent. The irony here, of course, is that Americans are on the side of protesters fighting a regime that the U.S. government has been propping up for decades. |
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8314475/WikiLeaks-Egyptian-torturers-trained-by-FBI.html
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WikiLeaks: Egyptian 'torturers' trained by FBI
The US provided officers from the Egyptian secret police with training at the FBI, despite allegations that they routinely tortured detainees and suppressed political opposition.
According to leaked diplomatic cables, the head of the Egyptian state security and investigative service (SSIS) thanked the US for �training opportunities� at the FBI academy in Quantico, Virginia. The SSIS has been repeatedly accused of using violence and brutality to help prop up the regime of President Hosni Mubarak. In April, 2009, the US ambassador in Cairo stated that �Egypt�s police and domestic security services continue to be dogged by persistent, credible allegations of abuse of detainees.
�The Interior Ministry uses SSIS to monitor and sometimes infiltrate the political opposition and civil society. SSIS suppresses political opposition through arrests, harassment and intimidation.� |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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And the new Egyptian VP:
1. Received training at Ft. Bragg here in the States
2. For 2+ years, has been supported by both the CIA and Israel as a successor to Mubarak.
3. Was heavily involved with the CIA's rendition program.
I'm glad the Egyptians aren't (yet) buying his BS and continue to protest. It will be quite a challenge for them to start afresh. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Potential reasons why Syria is quiet
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Despite a wave of protests spreading across the Middle East, so far the revolutionary spirit has failed to reach Syria.
Authoritarian rule, corruption and economic hardship are characteristics Syria share with both Egypt and Tunisia. However, analysts say that in addition to the repressive state apparatus, factors such as a popular president and religious diversity make an uprising in the country unlikely. |
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