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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Wow, I've lurked on some dumb ESLCafe responses, and I've lurked on some DUMB ESLCafe responses. Seriously? This is the crap upon which I must lurk?
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What's that? Another foreigner here whining because THEIR criminal background check doesn't state the CIRCUMSTANCES that explain their offense is completely out of context?
But...... but ...... but...... it's a misdemeanor!!
But...... but ...... but...... it's an outdated law!!
But...... but ...... but...... it's unfair!!
I'm so glad none of you people are allowed back into Korea.
A crime is a crime. Get over it. |
Seriously? This drivel makes your world spin? Only shining starlets should be allowed to teach in Kimbo Kim's Hakwon? Aye aye, cap'n. |
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fred zepplin
Joined: 21 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:10 am Post subject: Re: What exactly does a "clean background check" m |
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Hi everyone, i've yet to be able to find a definitive answer to this question on the forums. Though admittedly I have't had the chance to go through such an ungodly amount of info. ; )
I've recently, after 7 or so weeks of waiting, received my FBI background check.. And expecting it to be a very boring and blank report, was surprised to see a "Trespassing" charge from some 8 years prior.
I'm incredibly annoyed about the whole thing.., and was equally so when it occurred, but had never ever considered such an unbelievably stupid charge could show up on anything at all..
Anyhow, the charge is technically a Class A Misdemeanor (i looked it up).., for Trespassing. Of course the report doesn't mention that I was arrested walking only NEAR railroad "property" (which means any railroad track), and that the incredibly unfair and harsh law has been around for over 100 years because of the county's problems with hobos gatherings near the turn of the century.
So I guess the question is,.. will this BG check be denied when I apply for an E-2 Korean Visa? Do they only look for violent offenders? Or does a "clean background check".., mean just that? That you can't have ever been the victim of archaic laws and/or semi-fascist police?
really appreciate the help, thankya
-nate |
I love heroes who expect sympathy for breaking the law.
You were a train hoppin' hobo and paid the price.
Now you want our respect and admiration now that you need bread on your table.
Don't come here, criminals aren't welcome.
Keep your ear to the grindstone! |
Get a grip pal! "criminals aren't welcome here" I'm sure there are a lot dodgier NET's in Korea than the OP. Personally, I have a lot of sympathy for him, I know(not personal experience) that its very easy to get a black mark against your name from some stupid incident that isn,t really a crime. He said it was from walking near a train track, breaking into trains. |
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tigershark
Joined: 13 Aug 2009
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What happened to you Dave's? You used to be cool.
Dave's still cool. You pay later.
Too many DB's on this site now. |
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lonestarteacher
Joined: 09 Jan 2011
Location: Suncheon
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| Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Zyzyfer wrote: |
Wow, I've lurked on some dumb ESLCafe responses, and I've lurked on some DUMB ESLCafe responses. Seriously? This is the crap upon which I must lurk?
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What's that? Another foreigner here whining because THEIR criminal background check doesn't state the CIRCUMSTANCES that explain their offense is completely out of context?
But...... but ...... but...... it's a misdemeanor!!
But...... but ...... but...... it's an outdated law!!
But...... but ...... but...... it's unfair!!
I'm so glad none of you people are allowed back into Korea.
A crime is a crime. Get over it. |
Seriously? This drivel makes your world spin? Only shining starlets should be allowed to teach in Kimbo Kim's Hakwon? Aye aye, cap'n. |
They also only let good role models into the military and into the priesthood... We're living in a new age society where social deviants are now social outcast... Modern day lepers... |
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natron81
Joined: 24 Jan 2011
Location: US
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:08 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Triple007..., It's not letting me respond with a PM..., and I don't think making 24 bogus posts in order to do so would be the nicest thing to do. ; )
I really appreciate the input..., both helpful and encouraging.
I'm still looking into getting my record expunged. It's been well over 5 years(one of the requirements), and now that I know its out there I may as well take care of it for the sake of all future employment. IF the process is extremely lengthy, it's fantastic to hear that some recruiters are actually willing to go the extra mile and that there are other options.
And congrats to you and your girlfriend. ; )
Anyhow, I just wanted you to know I really appreciate the feedback.
Also to the rest of you that were helpful, thanks again.
peace,
-nate |
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Chris.Quigley
Joined: 20 Apr 2009
Location: Belfast. N Ireland
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Would the USA take a Korean who had even a citation on their record?
A clean record means you could whip it on your @$$ and no $#!% particles would be left behind. That's just the way it is. They want their criminal background checks squeaky clean. I mean... wouldn't you? |
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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Happens all the time re Koreans who go all over the world on tourist visas, overstay and end up being caught plying their trade in redlight districts or special Korean 'clubs'. Happens all the time re Koreans who go to the US, Canada, UK, Australia to 'study' and their only educational pursuit is to make money selling their bodies or pimping other Koreans.
They have the luxury of evading having to prove they have no criminal record. Until they are caught.
As for the brainstorms here slagging off the OP for a minor 'trespassing' charge, have you ever encountered the police in your home state when they have the time to go cruising around looking for potential 'criminal' actions?
I'm supportive of the police generally but there are those who abuse their power. One of the best instances I heard was a friend who was told he had committed an offence similar to the OP's when he was just waiting around near a friend's flat in London. A policeman really doing their job in both the OP's and my friend's cases would have let them off with a warning after giving them the benefit of the doubt. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:44 am Post subject: |
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| earthquakez wrote: |
Happens all the time re Koreans who go all over the world on tourist visas, overstay and end up being caught plying their trade in redlight districts or special Korean 'clubs'. Happens all the time re Koreans who go to the US, Canada, UK, Australia to 'study' and their only educational pursuit is to make money selling their bodies or pimping other Koreans.
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I see your analogy as one that compares some Koreans going to America, to some Chinese, Russian and South East Asian (amongst others) illegal immigrants in Korea. People in the sex trade industry don't usually work with children (unless they're the worst kind of sex traders). If you would like to come to Korea and avoid a background check, there are many ways to do it.
Is a background check successful at keeping out all the legitimate bad guys? No. But it is better than nothing. Does it prevent some people who would probably be great teachers from coming? Yes. But seriously, I bet there are hundreds of people with the exact same qualifications and experience as the OP trying to find work here. The difference being they've never been caught breaking the law. Who is less of a liability? The one who you can prove has used bad judgment in the past, or the ones who you can't prove? What do you suggest immigration should do as a better way? |
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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jr - I have had to present criminal background checks for employment well before I came to Korea. I do not disagree with them especially for people working with children.
I'm focusing on Chris' comment and no offence to Chris.
| Chris.Quigley wrote: |
Would the USA take a Korean who had even a citation on their record?
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The fact is our countries do take in Koreans who use the countries' visa systems for criminal purposes, especially the student visas. The US, Canada, UK, Australia all are examples of countries which have had notable problems with the abuse of their student visas by Koreans seeking to work as prostitutes. Tourist visas are another source of human trafficking and also do it your own trafficking of your own body to get quick cash. |
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Epik_Teacher
Joined: 28 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:12 pm Post subject: Re: What exactly does a "clean background check" m |
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| snowball wrote: |
| natron81 wrote: |
Hi everyone, i've yet to be able to find a definitive answer to this question on the forums. Though admittedly I have't had the chance to go through such an ungodly amount of info. ; )
I've recently, after 7 or so weeks of waiting, received my FBI background check.. And expecting it to be a very boring and blank report, was surprised to see a "Trespassing" charge from some 8 years prior.
I'm incredibly annoyed about the whole thing.., and was equally so when it occurred, but had never ever considered such an unbelievably stupid charge could show up on anything at all..
Anyhow, the charge is technically a Class A Misdemeanor (i looked it up).., for Trespassing. Of course the report doesn't mention that I was arrested walking only NEAR railroad "property" (which means any railroad track), and that the incredibly unfair and harsh law has been around for over 100 years because of the county's problems with hobos gatherings near the turn of the century.
So I guess the question is,.. will this BG check be denied when I apply for an E-2 Korean Visa? Do they only look for violent offenders? Or does a "clean background check".., mean just that? That you can't have ever been the victim of archaic laws and/or semi-fascist police?
really appreciate the help, thankya
-nate |
I love heroes who expect sympathy for breaking the law.
You were a train hoppin' hobo and paid the price.
Now you want our respect and admiration now that you need bread on your table.
Don't come here, criminals aren't welcome.
Keep your ear to the grindstone! |
This is about the most idiotic garbage I've ever seen posted here. Dave's is definately going downhill with big mouthed punks like this posting. I bet the moron that posted this is a skinny wanker who came from his mom's basement. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| marsavalanche wrote: |
What's that? Another foreigner here whining because THEIR criminal background check doesn't state the CIRCUMSTANCES that explain their offense is completely out of context?
But...... but ...... but...... it's a misdemeanor!!
But...... but ...... but...... it's an outdated law!!
But...... but ...... but...... it's unfair!!
I'm so glad none of you people are allowed back into Korea.
A crime is a crime. Get over it. |
This is just such an incredibly ignorant and narrow-minded thing to say. The odds are that you have, at least technically, committed a criminal offence at sometime or another during your life. I think the OP is being well and truly shafted, and he is not helped by zealous replies like the one you put together. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:47 pm Post subject: Re: What exactly does a "clean background check" m |
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I'm incredibly annoyed about the whole thing.., and was equally so when it occurred,
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I wonder how those whose property you were trespassing on felt. I wonder how the police who had to chase you down, or stop what they were doing to catch some stupid senior in high-school who is hanging out on the train tracks felt. I'm sure they were equally or more annoyed than you are. |
The guy trespassed for goodness sake, what do you want to do, hang him? You need to understand proportionality. Guy trespasses - wow - in his teens, so naturally he should be deprived of employment opportunities for life. Yeah, what a great plan that is. The ignorant responses to the OP's post just beggar belief. I wouldn't want someone with such ill-founded and plainly ignorant views anywhere near my kids. If you are a teacher, you should be ashamed kid. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: What exactly does a "clean background check" m |
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| Epik_Teacher wrote: |
| snowball wrote: |
| natron81 wrote: |
Hi everyone, i've yet to be able to find a definitive answer to this question on the forums. Though admittedly I have't had the chance to go through such an ungodly amount of info. ; )
I've recently, after 7 or so weeks of waiting, received my FBI background check.. And expecting it to be a very boring and blank report, was surprised to see a "Trespassing" charge from some 8 years prior.
I'm incredibly annoyed about the whole thing.., and was equally so when it occurred, but had never ever considered such an unbelievably stupid charge could show up on anything at all..
Anyhow, the charge is technically a Class A Misdemeanor (i looked it up).., for Trespassing. Of course the report doesn't mention that I was arrested walking only NEAR railroad "property" (which means any railroad track), and that the incredibly unfair and harsh law has been around for over 100 years because of the county's problems with hobos gatherings near the turn of the century.
So I guess the question is,.. will this BG check be denied when I apply for an E-2 Korean Visa? Do they only look for violent offenders? Or does a "clean background check".., mean just that? That you can't have ever been the victim of archaic laws and/or semi-fascist police?
really appreciate the help, thankya
-nate |
I love heroes who expect sympathy for breaking the law.
You were a train hoppin' hobo and paid the price.
Now you want our respect and admiration now that you need bread on your table.
Don't come here, criminals aren't welcome.
Keep your ear to the grindstone! |
This is about the most idiotic garbage I've ever seen posted here. Dave's is definately going downhill with big mouthed punks like this posting. I bet the moron that posted this is a skinny wanker who came from his mom's basement. |
Agreed. I am glad that there are vestiges of sanity left on this board. I was genuinely gobsmacked to read such complete nonsense from - ostensibly at least - educated people. There are some people who would genuinely like to see a return to a medievil concept of criminal justice. |
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marsavalanche
Joined: 27 Aug 2010
Location: where pretty lies perish
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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The funniest part about this thread, is that those who are against criminals being denied an E-2 have yet to suggest a better way for immigration to handle this.
Immigration doesn't have time (nor do they care) to scrutinize every single applicant's criminal circumstances. And since you don't have anything better to contribute other than "it's unfair" I rest my case.
I wouldn't want criminals from other countries teaching my kids. Agree with the law or not, it is what it is, and if you can't abide by the law then that is no ones fault but yours.
Again, get over it. Korea owes you nothing.
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| lonestarteacher wrote: |
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I personally believe crimes should automatically fall off records given a reasonable amount of time.
This happened 8 years ago. Give the guy break.
It's trespassing, not murder.
And it's quite possible he learned a valuable lesson and is a better man today because of it. |
I tend to agree with you... There are certain crimes that should not, but then again I also believe the rule of thumb should be a decade (which this particular case is not)... If there's nothing on there within ten years then it is irrelevant... Only should apply to misdemeanors... I'm sorry but a legislature decided that certain crimes were felonies and that those felonies should screw up your livelihood... And they will... Anything that involves physical, emotional or psychologically harming another individual is another one that regardless of the escalation of the event or the degree of crime committed I do not think should be taken off unless it is ordered to be taken off after completing anger-management and a period of inactivity as prescribed by a judge of law... |
You know, here's a great idea kiddo; why not just outright ban anyone with a criminal record from gaining employment - ever? Let's just make sure that in the ensuing chaos the unemployable pay you a visit in order to exact their own form of wealth distribution on your decidedly small world. All this pseudo-intellectual stuff about thresholds of ten years and that...it's just so goofy. You need to understand much more about what makes people tick. There are doubtless conditions which would lead you to commit crime. In a more unforgiving world intellectual midgets like you would be frozen out of the labour market. |
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