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legrande
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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Spoken like a youngen. |
Spoken like someone who believes in justice. It is in my interest to live in a world where people apply the rules of justice appropriately. Where men are rewarded for their good character and punished for their bad actions. If I grant unearned respect to men not deserving of it, then who will I be serving to prop up and who will I be pushing down?
Believe me, when I'm old I will want only earned respect. Respect based on my character and not something irrelevant like my age or my race. And I will continue to judge men by the words they speak and the actions they take, not their accidents of birth. |
Being nice and respectful to old people doesn't mean you forfeit justice.
First off, its a token of appreciation based on the idea that "you're someone's dad" and that deserves a bit of respect.
Second, I don't bring whatever chips I have on my soldier towards the previous generations into dealings with older people.
Third, Showing a certain deferential respect towards older people is one of the things that holds society together. Even people in jail are bemoaning the lack of respect that people are showing towards older inmates. When you have a "you're just the same as me" attitude towards older people, particularly in a predatory/unstable environment, that just makes things worse.
Fourth, its the idea that you know what? Older people have seen some things and know some things that us youngens don't. Sometimes their ways that seem "stupid" to us, actually make more sense once you grow in experience. It's like criticizing the General. It's very easy to do, up until you sit in that chair and have to make the calls.
Sometimes Grandmama, Father Roger, Nancy Reagan, and Andy Rooney have a point and you should listen to them.
What, defer to the young? 99% of people I've met under the age of 30 are blathering idiots who should still be in H.S. Okay, that's exaggerated, but its staggering, the different levels of intelligence, character, and composure between people under 35 and over 35. Something seriously went wrong in our generation....
Heck take preachers- listen to pastors under 25 and those over 50 and its night and day. Or opinion columnists, or TV analysts and broadcasters, writers, celebrities, politicians, lawyers, musicians, artists, poets, farmers, soldiers, on and on.
You listen to young people and you just can't take anything they say seriously these days. My grandmother didn't even go to College and she knew the works of Shakespeare, Greek and Roman Mythology, Gemstones and minerals, plants and horticulture, jewelry techniques, geography and currencies, Chinese dynasties. Find young people with masters degrees who know that stuff nowadays, much less HS grads.
Sure maybe 50 years ago it wouldn't make sense to defer to old age. These days..... |
Some observers have noted that the corporatization of education (universities getting into bed with big business) has resulted in a narrowing of educational scope in order to produce more efficient drone-like workers who think and know less about things outside their chosen major. You certainly see a lot less activist students when compared with the 60's and 70's, both in the states and east asia...if you ain't informed, you don't care, 'cuz it's all about gettin' your own thing on...even if it means in the end you don't get much goin' on |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:28 am Post subject: |
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Korea should at least train service staff in how to behave toward foreigners.
I'm talking about:
*Childish cashiers who think its a big joke to serve a foreigner
* Sales staff who follow you around trying to make you buy things
* Waiters who stand over you as you are eating.
* Young male staff who try to impress nearby females by making fun of talking englishee to the foreigner.
*K men who butt-in when a you are being served by a Korean woman because they can't handle seeing her talk to a foreign guy.
*Cashiers who serve queue-jumpers first instead of telling them to wait their turn.
*Restaurants that serve the foreigner last, even though he/she ordered before the koreans.
*Restaurant ajummas that rip the spoon out of your hand and tell you the correct way to eat Korean food.
Koreans are not as rude as the Chinese by a long shot, but they are far more irritating. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:52 am Post subject: |
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| chungbukdo wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Being nice and respectful to old people doesn't mean you forfeit justice. |
It does if you give unearned respect to someone simply because they are old, regardless of what you know their character to be.
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First off, its a token of appreciation based on the idea that "you're someone's dad" and that deserves a bit of respect.
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No, people's characters deserve respect. Some "Dads" are drunks who beat their wives and children. Some people who are not fathers are inventors, scientists, and geniuses that make our entire existence possible.
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| Third, Showing a certain deferential respect towards older people is one of the things that holds society together. |
No, what society needs more than ever is recognition of the good for being good and the evil for being evil. Condemn an old bad man and praise a young good one, if your evaluation of their character is correct.
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| Fourth, its the idea that you know what? Older people have seen some things and know some things that us youngens don't. |
They may or may not have, depending on whether they wasted their lives or not. A person, simply by the fact of being old, does not inherently possess wisdom or virtue. Do you know how many illiterate old people there are in Korea who learned nothing but to mop floors in their sorry 75 years of existence?
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| What, defer to the young? |
No, "defer" to evaluating every man by his character. Giving no man privilege because of his age or his race or hair colour or any other irrelevant factor. Next you'll be telling me to "defer to the whites."
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| 99% of people I've met under the age of 30 are blathering idiots who should still be in H.S. Okay, that's exaggerated, but its staggering, the different levels of intelligence, character, and composure between people under 35 and over 35. Something seriously went wrong in our generation.... |
You should evaluate them as individuals based on their character, and not tie any false causation to their age because of correlations. Men's characters are self-made. For instance, a black man can be a genius no matter how many other men of his race are fools. A young man can be wise no matter how many young men are ignorant. |
Yes, yes we all know to take one people at a time. But no one is hurt by me being nicer, more willing to listen, politer, and doing things like giving up my seat to the elderly. Let the old person speak first. Have everyone shut up when they speak. Sometimes they're a crazy old man, sometimes they have the wisdom of decades. Either way they're usually more worth listening to than young people who think they know everything and have massive chips on their shoulder towards older people and are overflowing with impatience. |
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