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AsiaESLbound
Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri
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 Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:59 am Post subject: Best websites for business and sciences teaching jobs? |
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I'm interested in moving from kids to adults and get more into my career field whether it be in Korea or elsewhere. With a BS in international business, I'm interested in teaching undergraduate students and professionals material involving case studies analysis, terminology, presentations, math, statistics, sciences, and talking business itself.
Thanks if you can point me in the right direction as my Googling isn't producing anything more than the TESOL courses. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:53 am Post subject: Re: Best websites for business and sciences teaching jobs? |
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| AsiaESLbound wrote: |
I'm interested in moving from kids to adults and get more into my career field whether it be in Korea or elsewhere. With a BS in international business, I'm interested in teaching undergraduate students and professionals material involving case studies analysis, terminology, presentations, math, statistics, sciences, and talking business itself.
Thanks if you can point me in the right direction as my Googling isn't producing anything more than the TESOL courses. |
Get an MBA and call back.
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Riker
Joined: 28 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:40 am Post subject: Re: Best websites for business and sciences teaching jobs? |
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| AsiaESLbound wrote: |
With a BS in international business, I'm interested in teaching ... math, statistics, sciences
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I really hope this is a joke. |
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jimmyNeutron
Joined: 03 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:20 am Post subject: |
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Hey,
Just cold call companies you want to work for. That is my strategy. In regards to the post about MBA, I think it holds no merit. 2 of my good friends were able to find great paying bank jobs with their B.Comm from a Canadian University.
I would just cold call companies and ask round. I do that here and it works wonders for me. |
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AsiaESLbound
Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: Best websites for business and sciences teaching jobs? |
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| Riker wrote: |
| AsiaESLbound wrote: |
With a BS in international business, I'm interested in teaching ... math, statistics, sciences
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I really hope this is a joke. |
Nope, but I'm noticing a lack of any leads on adult teaching jobs like in the business and IT lines of work. It's all mostly teaching kids except a few in China, but only 6000 RMB a month. As for a masters, I know a Canadian teacher who was in Korea for 4 years and finished a 1 year program in education a couple months ago, but is having difficulty finding a teaching job outside of ESL. I'm not in a financial position for a masters and really don't see it a necessity when all the knowledge is at our fingertips anytime. Cold calling and applying makes sense as that's how I found other non-teaching jobs back home over the years. If an opportunity is possible where employees are actually demanded then a masters degree is not necessary and employers make it known they are hiring. It's a tough market out there world wide in most career fields and Jimmy's advice is probably the most solid until they come forth demanding to take on new people just like the kid schools do. As they always say, it's not just what you, but who you know when it comes to getting a good job. The career is a real conundrum until you actually get in where you need to be instead of settling for less in a market remaining limited for all of a decade in most lines of work. Ideally finding a great company offer a decent package to bring me on for a long term career would be golden.
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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Get an MBA and there are quite a few positions teaching undergrads in SUBJECT matter in English (rather than ESL) or just enter the field rather than be a teacher.
Pay scales vary but in Thailand you can certainly look at salaries in the $30k+ per year plus benefits.
You can get upwards of 40k in Shanghai and Beijing or go into the field rather than teach and look at some pretty decent packages in places like HK, Taipai, BKK, Shanghai and others.
You're gonna have to work to make the connections but it is certainly do-able but you ain't gonna do it with just a BA. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm not in a financial position for a masters and really don't see it a necessity when all the knowledge is at our fingertips anytime |
Isn't all the knowledge that you want to impart as a teacher at the people you want to teach's fingertips anytime? It's a slightly strange attitude for a teacher to have if you don't mind me saying. |
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AsiaESLbound
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Good advice, but not what I want to hear. Right, it's competitive out there today. The BS or BA is the new HS diploma. I would go study an MBA and thought about it, but just don't have money. Ideally one would be employed with a company offering tuition assistance as a part of the package which I have known managers on a couple jobs to have done. It used to be that you could enter almost any line of work with just a BA and then work your way up from there, but now they seem to want many years of experience on top of the MBA. I'm hesitant about going back to school since there is a huge glut of MBA's and others holding masters degrees finding suitable employment difficult to impossible while underwater with big student loan debt. |
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AsiaESLbound
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm not in a financial position for a masters and really don't see it a necessity when all the knowledge is at our fingertips anytime |
Isn't all the knowledge that you want to impart as a teacher at the people you want to teach's fingertips anytime? It's a slightly strange attitude for a teacher to have if you don't mind me saying. |
What I mean is if you come across some terminology or a student working in a line of business you know little about, you can research it to better understand your students and develop a lesson that satisfies what they want to practice and learn. Before the internet it wasn't uncommon for graduates to keep their textbooks and a set of encyclopedias for reference when they needed to review or look something up. When it comes to boning up on some knowledge, we are all Googling and reading Wikipedia these days regardless of level of expertise, IQ, and degrees. It's not a strange attitude to say it's all at our fingertips, because it is. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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| So why does anyone need you as a teacher then? |
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AsiaESLbound
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| So why does anyone need you as a teacher then? |
One thing books and computers don't offer is an interactive experience of any situation anyone as a student needs or wants to master. You can learn strategies of selling in a book or online, but you can't master how to talk a deal in English without practicing with native speakers. With teaching Korean kids like most of us do, they often learn grammar, reading, and writing from Korean teachers, but not how to interact with others in English so they demand native English teachers. Interaction with native teachers and anyone else willing to talk not only gives students practice with conversation, but also enlightens them on the logic and communication styles commonly used by English speakers. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| OK but don't you think people who teach MBA courses will say the same kind of thing? |
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AsiaESLbound
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| Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 3:12 am Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| OK but don't you think people who teach MBA courses will say the same kind of thing? |
When a professor is teaching about a business situation in a case study, then interactions surrounding business problems are explored, but they won't outright say what I did about computers and books lacking a real interactive experience because that would demean their services as educators. It's true employers are valuing experience far more than education, but no professor is going to owe up to a statement like that as to not sell themselves out. In today's market, it's difficult to impossible to get relevant professional level experience with only a degree and irrelevant work experience which is why I haven't entered a position involving import/export, international finance, and contracts. Most of my professors in my junior and senior years were senior professionals having worked in their respective fields for all of 20 to 30 years with masters degrees who taught both undergraduate and graduate level courses. 30 to 40 years ago, it was very doable to get into a professional position with only a BA or BS and climb the ladder, but today the environment is not so favorable to those in their 20's and 30's not graduating with honors from a popular school with vital connections to the business world.
The education is good for learning to critically think to research, analyze, and solve business problems, but doesn't offer the practical experience employers demand, but ESL education is very different than traditional education in that it focuses on conversation involving various situations instead of technical academics. I'd go back to school right now if the huge cost of an MBA wasn't an issue where it didn't matter so much if I didn't ever command a high salary to pay it off and get ahead. While online MBA's are hugely popular and affordable, I want to attend an expensive brick and mortar university program for a competitive advantage through making important contacts and finally negotiating relevant employment. Ttompatz is right that you do need a masters to engage in a professional career unless you just luckily find yourself gainfully self employed on Ebay and your own website offering something valuable in demand with a nice profit margin. I know one guy working out of a home office in a nice new home he built with only a BA from a lower tiered state university bringing home $100,000 to $140,000 a year, but he's an exception to the norm as his peers typically only make $9 to $12 an hour at a job. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:14 am Post subject: |
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| Plenty of people have taught themselves languages to a very high level without a teacher, even before the internet was invented. For my 2 cents I reckon you'd need a teacher more to do an MBA, just to stop the subject matter getting too stupefyingly boring. You seem to have changed your tune a bit now but your original comment about an MBA being uneccessary reminded me a bit of a guy on here a while ago moaning about the cost of the CELTA, claiming it was a rip off, while saying in the next paragraph that he picked up 70,000 won an hour as an unqualified business English teacher. |
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john2smith
Joined: 25 Feb 2011
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| Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:54 pm Post subject: Internet Advertising |
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Hi, there are lots of techniques for advertising your business but you should choose one among of them according to your business category. Now these days mobile text messaging is going very popular to increase repeat business and customers. 90% of customers read their mobile text messages in minutes, 10% read email when they can. It�s very effective and fast so that you will get better result. You may go for it, I�m sure this will help you.
Best of luck! |
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