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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| Perceptioncheck wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
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| shifty wrote: |
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Not misleading in the least.
The book would not belong to the OP but the work he did on the book would be a nice addition to his resume. If the book turns out to be crap, then the OP still would have acquired some skills he could use later. In such a case, the OP does not need to add the work he did on the book to his resume. |
This post makes my head swim. When exactly is 'later'? Do you want us all to be like you and in Korea forever?
Have a heart!! |
Shifty, I think he's talking about the mightiest skill of all; being able to bend over and take it from our Korean Overlords without making a sound! |
Wow...you two are quite the pair. Good luck with your respective futures. |
Wow. . .you really are astonishingly condescending. Be careful not to fall off that high horse! |
What did you contribute to the thread in terms of advice or useful comment?
You did make snide remarks about me but anything else of value in this thread that is actually relevant to the OPs situation?
Yeah...condescending...sure...  |
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:23 am Post subject: |
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What did you contribute to the thread in terms of advice or useful comment?
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Well, for a start Perceptioncheck has been the first to advance the problem of dispersal of effort. In a previous post you even acknowledge this, even if only for reasons of expediency.
Perceptioncheck drew attention to the impossible deadline and also the need for a total effort from the Ragtag team. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:38 am Post subject: |
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I still don't see what advantage there would be to having this on a resume.
So future bosses can say,
"Hey, you made this guy a free textbook, you can make us one too".
*_*
Wow, that's a real benefit.
And I repeat, I'd be very wary of any manager/school that is trying this.
If they are too cheap to buy textbooks it is a good indication of bad management and possible money problems in the future. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:02 am Post subject: |
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| shifty wrote: |
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What did you contribute to the thread in terms of advice or useful comment?
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Well, for a start Perceptioncheck has been the first to advance the problem of dispersal of effort. In a previous post you even acknowledge this, even if only for reasons of expediency.
Perceptioncheck drew attention to the impossible deadline and also the need for a total effort from the Ragtag team. |
Then he contributed, great.
Why not keep contributing?
The OP has two basic choices: do the work and try to gain some valuable experience out of it or refuse to do the work.
Both options are viable.
I see one option as having more potential benefits professionally for the OP. End of story for me. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:03 am Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
I still don't see what advantage there would be to having this on a resume.
So future bosses can say,
"Hey, you made this guy a free textbook, you can make us one too".
*_*
Wow, that's a real benefit.
And I repeat, I'd be very wary of any manager/school that is trying this.
If they are too cheap to buy textbooks it is a good indication of bad management and possible money problems in the future. |
Thats the narrow view of it. The wider view is that the OP can add this skill to his resume and perhaps gain access to jobs that value this skill. |
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WadRUG'naDoo
Joined: 15 Jun 2010 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:19 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| some waygug-in wrote: |
I still don't see what advantage there would be to having this on a resume.
So future bosses can say,
"Hey, you made this guy a free textbook, you can make us one too".
*_*
Wow, that's a real benefit.
And I repeat, I'd be very wary of any manager/school that is trying this.
If they are too cheap to buy textbooks it is a good indication of bad management and possible money problems in the future. |
Thats the narrow view of it. The wider view is that the OP can add this skill to his resume and perhaps gain access to jobs that value this skill. |
Push down your rose-colored glasses and see the situtation for what it really is.
The OP doesn't want to do this and he shouldn't have to. He's working at a hagwon where he no doubt has 30 teaching hours a week giving him maybe, at most, 2 hours a day where he's not teaching. Where would he find the time to write a frigging textbook, plan his lessons, use the bathroom and eat dinner? Besides, that's not what he's being paid to do and not what he expected he'd have to do. There's no pot of gold at the end of a rainbow. No golden ticket. If he wants to make something on his own dime then I say "Go for it," but don't do it for someone else. This is the kind of thing that leads to working at home. Fine if it's your idea.
If I were in the OP's shoes, I'd make my boss pay for even thinking about asking me to do such a thing. |
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WadRUG'naDoo
Joined: 15 Jun 2010 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:34 am Post subject: |
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Kudos to you, OP. Your co-workers should be ashamed. Give them an inch, they take you a mile. If one person gives in, more people will and pretty soon you'll have other hagwons asking the same.
Don't listen to people who are seeing the brighter side of this. They're just dropping a stinking pile of dog crap and catching people getting a whiff of it.
If you've got your own projects, I say "Go for it!" No harm in that. Yes, you can better yourself professionally. If you're just starting out teaching (or not), it starts with lesson plans. Some people start out slower than others and vice versa.
You're paid to teach. That's it. They want more out of you, they should've let you known that before you signed the contract and paid you accordingly. Even with a team of writers, it would be a full-time job added onto your already full-time job.
Don't let them push you around. |
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:42 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
The OP has two basic choices: do the work and try to gain some valuable experience out of it or refuse to do the work.
Both options are viable.
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Refusing to do the work is not an option in my view. The OP has misguidedly tried that and been hauled over the coals. Her poor hand must be sore from signing all the Bad Teacher writs.
After all your experience in Korea I am surprized that you have not endorsed the 'agree and carry on as before' alternative. It is perfectly legit to do that when dealing with exploitative bosses. |
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southernman
Joined: 15 Jan 2010 Location: On the mainland again
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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Theres nothing worse when your co-workers grumble and winge about things, you take a stand for what everyone is agreeing with. Then when the crunch comes everyone backs down at the meeting.
I hope you have told your gutless co-workers what you think of them. Although it will not change the situation in any way it will be good for your sanity.
If you are going to have to make a 'Textbook' I suggest using the KISS protocol in the following way.
I would ask other teachers that you know maybe PS ones if they have access to any Holiday programms on CD. I pirated an old Seoul PS winter camp CD I managed to acquire, sorry I only had short time access to the CD and I didn't keep a copy. I've used it at 3 different PS's now and it actually took only a few hours to adjust and modify. It was long enough, maybe 40 lessons.
The effort needed to plan, format, and design a real Textbook would be far to time consumimg and it would become Avalon's property anyway, not yours. So you, in all probability, wouldn't even be acknowledged as an author.
I'd also offer to take the head foreign teacher out for some drinks, tell him you want to clear the air. Get him drinking and talking and find out what his agenda is. If it's as transparent as it appears also tell him what a douche bag he is. Then the next time at work claim the memory loss card and ask him what happened because you can't remember a thing |
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