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pangaea



Joined: 20 Dec 2007

PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 5:44 am    Post subject: Juvenile and offensive language Reply with quote

I think I can safely assume that none of us are in middle school. Just wondering why I sometimes, thankfully not often, see the word "retarded," being used as an insult. Maybe it doesn't bother other people, but I find it an offensive use of that word and derogatory toward people with mental disabilities. Companies that offer services to people with disabilities steer clear of the term "retarded," preferring "people with mental retardation" or another term that focuses on the person, not a label. To me, using the word "retarded" as an insult is on the same intellectual level as attempting to use the word "gay" as an insult. It's asinine and immature. I normally wouldn't think that people over the age of 14 would even to think to use the term, but I have been proven wrong on this site. Just wondering if it bothers anyone else. Rant over.
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DorkothyParker



Joined: 11 Apr 2009
Location: Jeju

PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my experience, no one would call anyone with mental differences "retarded." In fact, your example "people with mental retardation" isn't ever used. We have gone over, instead, to phrases like "differently abled" and "mental disability." I think now, as a result, the word "retarded" has graduated into the same realm as the word "dumb." People use this word all the time and fairly never reference the original meaning.

I personally thing the word is fine so long as it is meant in a way similar to the word "dumb." I think it would be hypocritical to find one offensive and not the other.
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conrad2



Joined: 05 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread is retarded and gay.
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computermichael



Joined: 01 Jul 2010
Location: Anyang

PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

conrad2 wrote:
This thread is retarded and gay.


Don't be so juvenile. This thread is a person with mental retardation.
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redaxe



Joined: 01 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ_R-G_i4Xk
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pangaea



Joined: 20 Dec 2007

PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dorkothy Parker wrote:
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In my experience, no one would call anyone with mental differences "retarded." In fact, your example "people with mental retardation" isn't ever used. We have gone over, instead, to phrases like "differently abled" and "mental disability."


I worked for an agency about five years ago that provides residential care for people with disabilities. At that time, we were taught in training classes not to refer to people as "mentally retarded," but as "people with mental retardation." It wouldn't surprise me if that has changed, but that was considered an appropriate term at the time.

I still don't like to hear the term, "retarded," used as an insult. The original meaning refers to someone with a mental disability. The word "dumb" doesn't have the same connotation.
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Globutron



Joined: 13 Feb 2010
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dr Cox from scrubs set up a campaign to get rid of it.

It's fair enough to get rid of it if you're using it on retarded people, but just using it like most people use gay... why not just go and complain about the word shit or *beep*? Why not remove every single derogatory expletive in the English language?

What difference is there, really?
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warren pease



Joined: 12 May 2008

PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-otAJrtY-w

All the answers to all the world's questions can be found on youtube.
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tatertot



Joined: 21 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pangaea wrote:
The word "dumb" doesn't have the same connotation.

In fact, "dumb" means that a person is unable to speak (as in, "deaf and dumb"). So, a long time ago people probably had the same discussion about calling people dumb.
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warren pease



Joined: 12 May 2008

PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tatertot wrote:
pangaea wrote:
The word "dumb" doesn't have the same connotation.

In fact, "dumb" means that a person is unable to speak (as in, "deaf and dumb"). So, a long time ago people probably had the same discussion about calling people dumb.


In fact, just because a word once meant something doesn't mean that's what it means today. Today dumb means dumb. Assuming otherwise is dumb. Trying to argue with this fact is dumb. If after reading this highly factual post you find yourself unable to speak, you are, in fact, dumbfounded.
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DorkothyParker



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

warren pease wrote:
tatertot wrote:
pangaea wrote:
The word "dumb" doesn't have the same connotation.

In fact, "dumb" means that a person is unable to speak (as in, "deaf and dumb"). So, a long time ago people probably had the same discussion about calling people dumb.


In fact, just because a word once meant something doesn't mean that's what it means today. Today dumb means dumb. Assuming otherwise is dumb. Trying to argue with this fact is dumb. If after reading this highly factual post you find yourself unable to speak, you are, in fact, dumbfounded.


Which, in fact, is the point. Just as the word 'dumb' has an altered meaning as a result of the change in usage, so the word 'retarded' is on that same track.
Another example is the word "lame."

Ironically (I have no idea where it is appropriate to use this word anymore)- Ahem. Ironically, it is because "retarded" has fallen out of acceptance as a way to refer to a differently-abled individuals that I don't feel like a jerk to use it with an alternate meaning. Also, I have used it in it's original, literal meaning (something with slowed functioning), but I admittedly LOLed afterward.
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warren pease



Joined: 12 May 2008

PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DorkothyParker wrote:
warren pease wrote:
tatertot wrote:
pangaea wrote:
The word "dumb" doesn't have the same connotation.

In fact, "dumb" means that a person is unable to speak (as in, "deaf and dumb"). So, a long time ago people probably had the same discussion about calling people dumb.


In fact, just because a word once meant something doesn't mean that's what it means today. Today dumb means dumb. Assuming otherwise is dumb. Trying to argue with this fact is dumb. If after reading this highly factual post you find yourself unable to speak, you are, in fact, dumbfounded.


Which, in fact, is the point. Just as the word 'dumb' has an altered meaning as a result of the change in usage, so the word 'retarded' is on that same track.
Another example is the word "lame."

Ironically (I have no idea where it is appropriate to use this word anymore)- Ahem. Ironically, it is because "retarded" has fallen out of acceptance as a way to refer to a differently-abled individuals that I don't feel like a jerk to use it with an alternate meaning. Also, I have used it in it's original, literal meaning (something with slowed functioning), but I admittedly LOLed afterward.


Bump for awesomeness. And anyone who thinks otherwise is retarded for being so lame. Dummy.
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Lastrova



Joined: 30 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in the day, I imagine, calling a retard retarded was offensive. Nowadays, we can ask what is a retard? It is an offensive term for someone who is retarded. But who now qualifies as retarded when the term no longer clinically fits. Like a pea separated from its pod, it's become a mild term of disparagement--but not nearly as mild as "dumb." The words aren't synonymous. Telling a stranger that they're retarded is a lot more offensive than saying they're dumb. It's also generational. Telling an older man or woman that they're retarded is very offensive. It still has the ring of meaning.

Once during university, when I was driving along back home, this older cat swerves in front of me and cuts me off. I proceeded to pull my car over and cut in front of him. Yes, juvenile, but then I was. At the next lights, he pulls down the window and starts screaming at me. I said, "Are you retarded? Why did you cut in front of me in the first place?" This made the man go lunatic. He said, "You're dead. Next time I see you!" I just smiled and waved to him delicately.
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ED209



Joined: 17 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess over time and through usage words termed offensive build a distance from their original meaning. South Park took a poke at one such word recently;

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=fag&searchmode=none

I do think there is a difference in how we use these words, are we redefining the word and making a comparison?

"That's gay" - That is not good
"You're a retard" - You are like a person with mental retardation
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McGenghis



Joined: 14 Oct 2008
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The word HAS changed. That does not mean that weaselly people (and my sincere apologies to these relatives of the mink) will not try to blur the boundaries between retarded as �boorish clod' and �person with mental deficiencies�.

I remember when I was hanging out with my Grandma at a nursing home near her house. We used to visit there frequently to play bingo and make old ladies cry because I looked so much like my father and it was quite terrifying.

One day my dear Gram pointed across the room to a woman who was obviously born with Downs syndrome and whispered to me in conspiratorial tones "She�s retarded!" I remember saying something to the effect that it was unfortunate enough that the poor lady had a mental disability but did you have to mock her too?

Of course she was from the same generation that said "coloured folks" without batting an eye. I cannot help but think that when I am old man I will say things that will make the younger folks cringe, and I will not have meant anything insulting by it.

TL;DR language changes but redresses in vocabulary probably don't solve the problem of some people being jerks.
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