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spaceman82
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| Thanks for the updates. It's a bit weird for them not to announce the test locations until 2 days before the test though. And in regard to the possibility of taking the classes online, which would be absolutely great, I'm probably going to do as you suggested and call KIIP or the Global Center in Itaewon on Monday. |
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chungbukdo
Joined: 22 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 12:39 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the updates.
I hope the class is online too, but we interact with real native speakers and not just some program. |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| has anyone heard anything more about when and where (possibly in the evening and somewhere near itaewon??) the kiip korean classes are usually held? i'm thinking about signing up for the february 12 test to take advantage of the free classes, but i don't want to go through the trouble if they're offered during the day and/or too far away from where i live to be convenient. |
I have heard from a friend of a friend that you can take the courses online. This particular person takes courses online for 2 hours a night every weeknight. I'm not sure how he got that option or anything like that; I'm assuming the best way to get info would be to call the people at KIIP, or maybe even your local Global Center for assistance in getting the information. |
I'd be interested in taking it, but woudl like more info. Does anyone know when classes are usually held? Time? Days of the week? It's hard to plan if they don't give us info. |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:21 am Post subject: |
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Does anyone know what the "overseas work as a specialist" is and how you're supposed to prove it?
I've worked overseas for more than 8 years. I have visas in my passport, but not contracts. I wonder if time in Korea counts as well. |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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Does anyone know what the "overseas work as a specialist" is and how you're supposed to prove it?
I've worked overseas for more than 8 years. I have visas in my passport, but not contracts. I wonder if time in Korea counts as well. |
No one has been able to get an answer on that yet, but "esl teacher" is hardly within my definition of specialist. I'm guessing that they're indicating a specialist in various professional jobs, like an engineer, doctor, etc. general employee probably wouldn't cut it. |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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Does anyone know what the "overseas work as a specialist" is and how you're supposed to prove it?
I've worked overseas for more than 8 years. I have visas in my passport, but not contracts. I wonder if time in Korea counts as well. |
No one has been able to get an answer on that yet, but "esl teacher" is hardly within my definition of specialist. I'm guessing that they're indicating a specialist in various professional jobs, like an engineer, doctor, etc. general employee probably wouldn't cut it. |
Darn it. Seriously? Hm, I worked as a "volunteer diplomat" for two years though OIM, maybe that would qualify.
I still think ESL teacher shoudl be a specialist. Lots of us have MAs and other quals. |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| naturegirl321 wrote: |
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Does anyone know what the "overseas work as a specialist" is and how you're supposed to prove it?
I've worked overseas for more than 8 years. I have visas in my passport, but not contracts. I wonder if time in Korea counts as well. |
No one has been able to get an answer on that yet, but "esl teacher" is hardly within my definition of specialist. I'm guessing that they're indicating a specialist in various professional jobs, like an engineer, doctor, etc. general employee probably wouldn't cut it. |
Darn it. Seriously? Hm, I worked as a "volunteer diplomat" for two years though OIM, maybe that would qualify.
I still think ESL teacher shoudl be a specialist. Lots of us have MAs and other quals. |
Yes many do, but those aren't required to be an ESL teacher. I know people working at McDonald's that have degrees, but that doesn't make them a specialist. It's more related to the specific work and job you're doing rather than your qualifications.
I think the idea is that you've been recognized as a specialist by a foreign country. That increases your value. |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Double darn, then I guess unless I do the 2.5 year KIIP program and have at least level 3 Korean, I'm out. NO fair. They don't even DEFINE what a specialist is . . . |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Double darn, then I guess unless I do the 2.5 year KIIP program and have at least level 3 Korean, I'm out. NO fair. They don't even DEFINE what a specialist is . . . |
You might call them and ask them what proof you'd have to demonstrate to do that. If you studied hard on your own you might be able to get through KIIP faster. You can skip parts of it if you have the language ahead of time, right? |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| crossmr wrote: |
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| Double darn, then I guess unless I do the 2.5 year KIIP program and have at least level 3 Korean, I'm out. NO fair. They don't even DEFINE what a specialist is . . . |
You might call them and ask them what proof you'd have to demonstrate to do that. If you studied hard on your own you might be able to get through KIIP faster. You can skip parts of it if you have the language ahead of time, right? |
Oh yep, certainly, now doubt. I tried the MIgrant Centre Korean and wasn't really impressed at all. I've now got a language exchange with an ex-student, so I'll try that. To be honest though, Iv'e got a lot on my plate this semester with teaching 8 classes and doing 3 MA classes, so I'm not sure how much I'll be able to get done. I might try to get grandfathered in. After 5 years on the same visa, 40 mil a year, and mid Korean, 1345 says that you can get an F2 visa as well. With 10 years, you don't need any Korean.
BUT, we all know that calling or even going in doesn't do a lot of good here in Korea  They change their minds so quickly. |
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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Another side note, doesn't kimmi realise that i'ts ridiculous to ask for Korean language for a TEMPORARY resident visa?!
I mean, who does that? Really? What other country requires that?
How about TIME in Korea? that should count for something as well.
Sigh, maybe they're re-do the point system again. After all, they re-did it only 7 months after it launched, so maybe in a couple months it'll get re-done as well. |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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Another side note, doesn't kimmi realise that i'ts ridiculous to ask for Korean language for a TEMPORARY resident visa?!
I mean, who does that? Really? What other country requires that?
How about TIME in Korea? that should count for something as well.
Sigh, maybe they're re-do the point system again. After all, they re-did it only 7 months after it launched, so maybe in a couple months it'll get re-done as well. |
It's not really a temporary resident visa. It's a 3 year resident visa, which is infinitely renewable, and which allows you to change to an F5 permanent resident visa, having the language skills would also ensure you streamline that step of the F5 process at that point as well.
As for what other countries require, you really haven't looked at what's required to immigrate someone to the US or Canada have you? They're extremely involved and frankly far more difficult and time consuming that what Korean immigration makes you go through.
For example, to apply as a skilled worker to Canada:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/apply-who.asp
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| If you meet the above minimum requirements, your application will be processed according to the six selection factors in the skilled worker points grid , which are: |
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* your education
* your abilities in English and/or French, Canada�s two official languages
* your work experience
* your age
* whether you have arranged employment in Canada, and
* your adaptability.
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All very similar to the F2-points visa that Korea has introduced.
In fact they even have a points scale as well:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/apply-factors.asp |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, but let's take a look at the two point systems:
Canada has
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| If you meet the above minimum requirements, your application will be processed according to the six selection factors in the skilled worker points grid , which are: |
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* your education
* your abilities in English and/or French, Canada�s two official languages
* your work experience
* your age
* whether you have arranged employment in Canada, and
* your adaptability.
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1. Two languages to choose from. Both are official languages of the UN. Korea has one language. Koraen. A difficult, uncommon language.
2. Work experience is 20% of the total points in Canada. In Korea, it gets you 4.16% Korea offers a whooping 5 out of a 120 point scale. And if it's what we think it is, TEFLing won't count.
3. Arrange employment. No points are given in Korea. You have to already be here and on a legal visa for a year.
4. Adaptibility takes into account (your spouse / partner, previous work or study in Canada, arranged employment, and family in Canada) many things. Korea doesn't have it.
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All very similar to the F2-points visa that Korea has introduced. |
Hardly. You can get the Canadian one from abroad, you already have had to be in Korea for a year to get the Korean one, plus the four points I made above.
Yes, I have looked at immigrating to Canada and Australia in fact. As well as Denmark, which has 5 languages available. FYI: I' have enough points for Denmark and Canada, even as a lowly TEFL teacher (But my husband doesn't want to move there) BUt not enough points for Quebec.
Looking at these languages for Denmark
1. Danish
2. Swedish
3. Norwegian
4. English
5. German
Two of them: English and German are world langauges, officially part of the UN. Now look at Korea. They have one language: Korean. And it's not an easy or common language at that.
Anyways, we're off topic. . . .
Back to the topic at hand, any E2 or E1 visa holders on Dave's that have actually gotten this visa that's been out for a year? Not a friend or co.worker, or acquitance. But anyone here on this board?
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Two of them: English and German are world langauges, officially part of the UN. Now look at Korea. They have one language: Korean. And it's not an easy or common language at that. |
No, but if you want to immigrate to any country, you need to learn the local language.
It being a world language is irrelevant. You chose to immigrate here, no one held a gun to your head.
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| points for having a job in Canada, |
Korea gives points for having an income which means having a job here.
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| adaptiblity (taking into account your spouse, previous work /study in Canada, arranged employement, and family). |
Korea has separate visas for family and spouse, but you do get bonus points for having studied in Korea and as pointed out, current employment factors into income. They also give points for the social integration course which would factor into adaptability.
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| Plus . . . Canada's point system seems a bit more fair. They have 21 points for experience, out of a 100 point scale. Korea offers a whooping 5 out of a 120 point scale. And if it's what we think it is, TEFLing won't count. |
TEFLing wouldn't count in Canada either. You need to read the descriptions of the accepted jobs for experience. TEFL isn't one of them.
If you were able to pass yourself off as a general teacher working at a public school you might be able to wiggle through it.
The point was, you asked what other countries had language requirements, and well there you go.
Don't forget Canada has been doing this a lot longer than Korea has. This is a brand new visa that has already been revised once, more favourably so. As time goes on they may tweak points and categories, and do other things of that nature. |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| No, but if you want to immigrate to any country, you need to learn the local language. |
Yes, but there's only ONE to choose from. Canada has TWO . Denmark has FIVE. Come on. It's apples and oranges.
Korea should include Chinese and English. Those languages are used here. For goodness sake they're on the subway as well!
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| Korea has separate visas for family and spouse, but you do get bonus points for having studied in Korea and as pointed out, current employment factors into income. They also give points for the social integration course which would factor into adaptability. |
KIIP takes 2.5 years. canadian immigration factors in stuff that you have done in your home country. Yes, they have points for studying, but very few. For 4 years in Korea I could get 3 points, an MA is 5, and a 4 to 6 year PhD is 10 points.
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| Don't forget Canada has been doing this a lot longer than Korea has. This is a brand new visa that has already been revised once, more favourably so. As time goes on they may tweak points and categories, and do other things of that nature. |
Let's certainly hope so, because as it stands if a factor worker from Uzbekistan does the KIIP and passes the TOPIK they'll get it over an E2 visa holder. 
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