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School says I have to pay up. I say rubbish!
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cragesmure



Joined: 23 Oct 2010

PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SimonPark wrote:
Do you like it when the Korean pays you? Then pay money you owe. Are you the blonde crying boy NET?

I like it when the Korean doesn't have even the most basic understanding of English grammar. Then write reply.
If it's not your name on the lease, you owe nothing. Hope you don't have to jump through too many hoops on this one. Good luck.
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SimonPark wrote:
Do you like it when the Korean pays you? Then pay money you owe. Are you the blonde crying boy NET?


Schools all over Korea own and rent apartments, and they use them for housing the foreign teacher. Once the foreign teacher leaves then someone else moves in. Pretty simple stuff and it happens all of the time. How one school can claim that the foreign teacher, (who is leaving), owes money for the apartment for the time that the next teacher will live there is ridiculous.
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Lastrova



Joined: 30 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wylies99 wrote:

Schools all over Korea own and rent apartments, and they use them for housing the foreign teacher. Once the foreign teacher leaves then someone else moves in. Pretty simple stuff and it happens all of the time. How one school can claim that the foreign teacher, (who is leaving), owes money for the apartment for the time that the next teacher will live there is ridiculous.


This is true, assuming that there is a next teacher and that they will move into that apartment. It seems that the school did the OP a favor in paying the majority for a larger apartment to house the OP's family. Definitely NOT part of the contract. The OP is leaving early? And walking away without paying for an apartment that is probably too large for the next teacher? Something doesn't sound right here.
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Quack Addict



Joined: 31 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lastrova wrote:
wylies99 wrote:

Schools all over Korea own and rent apartments, and they use them for housing the foreign teacher. Once the foreign teacher leaves then someone else moves in. Pretty simple stuff and it happens all of the time. How one school can claim that the foreign teacher, (who is leaving), owes money for the apartment for the time that the next teacher will live there is ridiculous.


This is true, assuming that there is a next teacher and that they will move into that apartment. It seems that the school did the OP a favor in paying the majority for a larger apartment to house the OP's family. Definitely NOT part of the contract. The OP is leaving early? And walking away without paying for an apartment that is probably too large for the next teacher? Something doesn't sound right here.


I spoke with the landlord of the apartment and he assured me that he can have the apartment rented by the time I leave. There will be no vacancy for the apartment. Hence, the school won't have to pay and neither do I.

Also, the lawyer I contacted said if my name is not on the lease then I am not LEGALLY obligated to pay for anything.

I gave the school 40 days notice that I was leaving. They have already hired someone else. The school needed someone IMMEDIATELY so they hired me knowing I had a family. You are a naive turd if you think Korean schools do favors for foreigners. They only look out for their best interest.Rolling Eyes
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Lastrova



Joined: 30 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quack Addict wrote:
You are a naive turd if you think Korean schools do favors for foreigners. They only look out for their best interest.


You're right, Quack. The school didn't do you a favor. I can see that clearly now from your eloquent and reasonable response. They would actually have to like you and see value in you for that to happen. My skepticism was very appropriate.
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soyoungmikey



Joined: 29 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For accurate advice pleas listen here. OP you don't owe anything, except utilities for the time you lived there. I left a contract after 6 months for a better job and moved out. The housing contract is between the school and the housing owner. You owe nothing unless you signed the contract directly with the owner. If not then you can leave scott free. If they withhold money that's another story. Then you can file a complaint with the labor board, or even threaten to call them and announce this to the employer. Usually this is enough to get what you need. If not this could be a lengthy, drawn-out process. Again you owe nothing. Period. The End.
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West Coast Tatterdemalion



Joined: 31 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Again, OP, it wasn't your problem. You didn't sign the contract. Why you even dealt with the landlord is beyond me. By doing so, you are basically giving them leverage if they decide to do an about face on the matter. The business was between the school and the landlord.
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serasera



Joined: 28 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 6:45 pm    Post subject: just read your contract Reply with quote

Anything that legally binds you to pay/do anything, you should have agreed to do so (at the beggining) in a written context, aka contract. If there isn't anything said on the contract then you are not obliged to pay. If the hagwon has signed a lease with the landlord - it's their problem. Hagwon directors conveniently forget sometimes that they are responsible for the actions they take when they are hiring E2 teachers. if the business succeeds and makes profit, they will benefit from it - which means if they don't, they are responsible for the loss. It's pretty simple.

*Just to make sure, give your contract to a Korean because sometimes korean and english sections are worded completely differently. I work for Gepik and I can read Korean - there are quite a few sections that sound totally different....
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Quack Addict



Joined: 31 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

West Coast Tatterdemalion wrote:
Again, OP, it wasn't your problem. You didn't sign the contract. Why you even dealt with the landlord is beyond me. By doing so, you are basically giving them leverage if they decide to do an about face on the matter. The business was between the school and the landlord.


I like my landlord. He speaks perfect English and he also thinks the school is less than honest. I explained what was going on. He is a genuine guy and doesn't want the school to screw me out of my deposit (900k). I was skeptical at first because most Koreans back up other Koreans but not this guy. He spent time overseas and has no problem calling a spade a spade.

While it might not be technically my problem it would definately become my problem if they stiff me my money. If I can do a little preemtive strike to make sure all works out well for me I will do it. The school now knows I have access to a lawyer and that the landlord is fully aware of the situation. I have a week to go until I move.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you move out, the landlord's going to return the security deposit to the lessee, who, in this case is your employer. That's provided, of course, that the school terminates the lease with the landlord and finds other digs for the new teacher. Now, if the school stiffs you on that, do you think the landlord's going to fork over another grand to you?

Everyone has access to a lawyer. The question is do you have the time and money to engage a lawyer for this? Legal fees here are expensive. And you might not be able to take time off from your new job to travel to the employer's area to appear at all of the court hearings. There's a reason that too many hagweon bosses are not afraid of refusing to pay their foreign employees.
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Menino80



Joined: 10 Jun 2007
Location: Hodor?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SimonPark wrote:
Do you like it when the Korean pays you? Then pay money you owe. Are you the blonde crying boy NET?


YES! I want more Simon Park in my life!!!

I don't care if this is just a joke-meme account I see great things in store for 밝은사이먼씨
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Quack Addict



Joined: 31 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

UPDATE! In my previous school's never ending attepmt to pilfer 300k won from me they have changed strategies. Instead of claiming I owe them for penalties that were never charged by my landlord they want me to pay the realtor fees for the new teachers' apt. Apparently since the new teacher needed a new apartment the school says I should pay the fee since I quit and forced them to find a new apt.

Once again, not in my contract. I was forced to make a claim against them which is pending. I don't see how this is not a slam dunk win for me. But this is Korea. We will have to wait and see.
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Cerulean



Joined: 19 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am interested in how this turns out. I will be finishing my contract mid-rental agreement. Same situation as yours, the agreement is with the school.
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DaHu



Joined: 09 Feb 2011

PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems like the school helped the OP get a bigger place, and now he's screwing them by leaving early, costing them money.

I think he should pay the fee to find the new place. Shouldn't be too much and he'll get the other money that's due him.

They HELPED out in the beginning, he shouldn't screw them in the end.
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RMNC



Joined: 21 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sojusucks wrote:
There probably are some foreign teachers out there who would pay just "because someone said so." It's because of weak fools that schools try manuvers like this one. OP, don't pay anything, don't sign anything, and if they take money from your pay take them to Labor.


This right here. And if they don't know where you're working or living yet, don't tell them that either.
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