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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| schwa wrote: |
| A question about who did/didnt get health & pension benefits would have been interesting. |
You're right. I meant to include it but forgot! Maybe we can try again later. |
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joyorbison
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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What about people from Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland?
UK instead of England would have made sense. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, my cultural awareness of the UK is lacking mightily. Apologies to all my GB/UK/English brothers and sisters. England = UK for this survey. I'm an idiot.... |
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Carbon
Joined: 28 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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'White' is a race?
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| nukeday wrote: |
| Umm, most hagwon contracts I've seen say 10 calendar days vacation, not including national holidays. I'm aware CDI might pull that stunt, but back when they used to pay well hourly, I'd say that was a trade-off that people willfully chose. Either way, the survey doesn't really encompass that. |
If you're not including national holidays at all then CDI never has any vacation whatsoever. My buddy has had six days off all year (Chuseok and Lunar New Year). Granted, you don't work Wednesdays, but still. |
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nukeday
Joined: 13 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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How much was he paid hourly?
Hourly CDI contracts are in quite the minority. As I understood it, most of their franchises didn't like the system and tried moving toward typical salaried jobs a couple years ago.
To be honest, if they still shell out 30,000-35,000+ per teaching hour, I might still consider them.
My PS vacation is a joke. A week off, then back for one day, then chinese new year, then a week and a half of work, then a week and a half off. Yeah, a lot of vacation days on one hand, but it's not like I can afford several flights, so most of it was spent sitting around my apartment in winter. I suppose I'd rather just make a bunch of money and then take a month off, unpaid, at some point. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| nukeday wrote: |
How much was he paid hourly?
Hourly CDI contracts are in quite the minority. As I understood it, most of their franchises didn't like the system and tried moving toward typical salaried jobs a couple years ago.
To be honest, if they still shell out 30,000-35,000+ per teaching hour, I might still consider them. |
I think it's like 27,000 or something. He takes home 2.7 in an average month and has to pay the school 400,000 in rent for his school-supplied apartment. On top of that, no pension or severance, as I understand it (perhaps just one of the two, but I don't remember which). This is working Monday-Tuesday, Thursday-Friday from 4-10. I don't know how CDI works across the board, but his experience seems somewhat the norm based on what he hears with folks he went through training with. |
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nukeday
Joined: 13 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| That sucks. They used to pay you more depending on your qualifications and how your interview (and test..haha) went. i was offered 30,000 at one point, which would've beat the base 2.0 I was making back in 2006. Now at 2.4 with full benefits, I suppose not. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:41 am Post subject: |
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So far we have had 71 unique responses to the survey which is a really great turnout. Yellowstone has kindly offered to use some stat's software he has to get some more in-depth info out of the data.
For example, are Dave's self described stunners pulling down more money than our fugly members in the first contract year? Are looks really that important to making more money or finding a job easily? Do our MA/PHD holders make a lot more? |
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Space Cowboy
Joined: 27 Mar 2010
Location: On the blessed hellride
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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Lots of nitpicking and threadjacking on a very interesting thread. I have a substantial background in research methodology, and I'll say that you did a nice job -- especially considering you've never made a survey before. A few loose ends, yes, but it's great to have some solid data on a board where rumor and hearsay reigns supreme. Cheers.
One overall observation is that with the exception of really bad vacation allotment, most people reported fairly positive information regarding their work situations - similar money, background, hours, etc.
And always amusing: Three-fourths of respondents think they're above the 50th percentile in attractiveness.  "Self-described stunners" would be the key word; what would be fun would be to provide a set of photos to both hagwon owners and other NETs, and then ask them to rate the teacher's attractiveness. Obviously not a feasible idea, but still... |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Space Cowboy wrote: |
| And always amusing: Three-fourths of respondents think they're above the 50th percentile in attractiveness. "Self-described stunners" would be the key word; what would be fun would be to provide a set of photos to both hagwon owners and other NETs, and then ask them to rate the teacher's attractiveness. Obviously not a feasible idea, but still... |
I considered that, but it makes sense that it would lean in that direction considering that attractiveness is actually something of a prerequisite to getting a lot of the jobs over here. Anecdotally, my school doesn't discriminate based on race (more than happy to hire blacks or gyopos), but they won't hire anyone that's ugly. |
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Kurtz
Joined: 05 Jan 2007
Location: ples bilong me
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Space Cowboy wrote: |
Lots of nitpicking and threadjacking on a very interesting thread. I have a substantial background in research methodology, and I'll say that you did a nice job -- especially considering you've never made a survey before. A few loose ends, yes, but it's great to have some solid data on a board where rumor and hearsay reigns supreme. Cheers.
One overall observation is that with the exception of really bad vacation allotment, most people reported fairly positive information regarding their work situations - similar money, background, hours, etc.
And always amusing: Three-fourths of respondents think they're above the 50th percentile in attractiveness. "Self-described stunners" would be the key word; what would be fun would be to provide a set of photos to both hagwon owners and other NETs, and then ask them to rate the teacher's attractiveness. Obviously not a feasible idea, but still... |
Let me further nitpick; how about sample size? Considering the 30-odd thousand people currently on E-2 visa, plus all the past ones which must be well over 100,000; 71 people have responded. I'd be happier with at least 400 responses from doing a quick calculation using a confidence interval of 5 in which to make responses from the population meaningful.
It is a good idea though, just a bigger sample size would be nice. |
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Space Cowboy
Joined: 27 Mar 2010
Location: On the blessed hellride
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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Agreed on a larger sample size, but this is a step in the right direction. And it's only 71 *at the moment*, right? The margin of error will shrink by the day.
We wouldn't need to worry about past teachers. This is sort of a "state of Korean EFL" survey, right? A sampling of current teachers should be fine. You could argue that only a certain cross-section posts on Dave's, though; for accuracy, we'd have to shotgun the survey out to a couple thousand randomly selected institutions (including PSs, hagwons, and universities) and hope for a decent response rate.
Anybody wanna try it?  |
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Space Cowboy
Joined: 27 Mar 2010
Location: On the blessed hellride
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| Space Cowboy wrote: |
| And always amusing: Three-fourths of respondents think they're above the 50th percentile in attractiveness. "Self-described stunners" would be the key word; what would be fun would be to provide a set of photos to both hagwon owners and other NETs, and then ask them to rate the teacher's attractiveness. Obviously not a feasible idea, but still... |
I considered that, but it makes sense that it would lean in that direction considering that attractiveness is actually something of a prerequisite to getting a lot of the jobs over here. Anecdotally, my school doesn't discriminate based on race (more than happy to hire blacks or gyopos), but they won't hire anyone that's ugly. |
Buddy, I've seen some homely, homely Westerners over here... |
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Yellowstone_1872
Joined: 12 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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Just responding quick to the sample size comments, I'd say that's right on as far as it being desirable to get a sample size up around 400-500. For something quick and easy to pull off, this is a great start though.
I'll probably not pull the numbers off surveymonkey until at least Monday to give this sample some time to grow. A concerted effort to contact more teachers would be awesome in the long run though. Maybe we could get the thread stickied so that we can watch the progress over time, even. |
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