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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:12 am Post subject: |
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South Korea held massive anti-american demonstrations a few years ago, millions poured onto the streets shouting DOWN WITH THE UNITED STATES!
They burned and trod all over dozens of american flags.
Then koreans besieged US army bases, harassing and intimidating US servicemen. The national media was filled with anti american hatred.
Yet America's response was to re-affirm their $42 million golden handshake with Seoul?
Wow, thats really holding them to a higher standard.  |
MILLIONS were in the street shouting that? Are you sure? "Millions"?? |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:19 am Post subject: |
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| Push comes to shove the South Korean gov't knows which side of the bread gets the butter. Lee Myeong Park went on nat'l TV and basically told the misguided and their North Korean sympathizer handlers to STFU. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:44 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Junior wrote: |
South Korea held massive anti-american demonstrations a few years ago, millions poured onto the streets shouting DOWN WITH THE UNITED STATES!
They burned and trod all over dozens of american flags.
Then koreans besieged US army bases, harassing and intimidating US servicemen. The national media was filled with anti american hatred.
Yet America's response was to re-affirm their $42 million golden handshake with Seoul?
Wow, thats really holding them to a higher standard. |
MILLIONS were in the street shouting that? Are you sure? "Millions"?? |
I'm not sure why Junior throws out willy-nilly numbers knowing that you're waiting to pounce. Maybe he's got a thing for you. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:10 am Post subject: |
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Captain Corea: Junior was exagerating but 2002 wasn't a ton of fun for some of us.
For me particularly, during the World Cup there were people who would run across the road to yell in my face "Korea rules and America sucks". (It was done in Korean. p.s. my korean has never been that bad).
The fact I wasn't an American didn't seem to matter to them. Then I caught it from Americans who seemed to think that only they could understand the racist taunts as I was not an American.
Then as soon as the World Cup ended, I caught it from those who were Anti US because of the accident. Most people at that time seemed to move in groups and I was a single person who had a military hair style.
So I was spat at, screamed at, refused entry to restaurants, etc. It was't fun for me.
I have now been here a while but to say Korea is open to foriegners is to ignore the times that they weren't. It insults us who went through that time and didn't enjoy it so much.
So CC, ignore the hype by some posters but do accept that shit happened. Korea has changed and many experienced worse before me, but Korea is not as you sometimes portray it.
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P.S. oops, sorry I was responding to CCs comments, I didn't realise I was subverting the topic: I apologise for talking about Korea in a different debate. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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I've been here since before the world cup and tank incident and know that there were protests and such. I took exception to Junior's constant distortion of facts and numbers to try to his point. He's done it MANY times before, and needs to be called on it.
As for living here in 2002, perhaps that's a discussion best served in another thread. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 6:48 am Post subject: |
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Is this thing still going? wow. Obviously caniff and bowl diver can't let it go.
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| I took exception to Junior's constant distortion of facts and numbers to try to his point. |
At any one actual street demo, we're talking many hundreds of thousands.
If you count all the Koreans there in spirit though...then we're talking millions. Certainly everyone who watched the typically one-sided news reports, apollo ohno and all the other guff that was spewed at the time.
But this is just one of the numerous points that caniff fails on.
He maintains that the US should quit backing the pro-American asset that is Israel, because it costs $3 billion a year. Never mind the various ways in which the US benefits from this alliance.
In the same breath however, he thinks its fine to keep pouring $42 billion per annum into the anti-american bottomless pit that is south korea, from which it gains absolutely zero in return.
A country that is not only largely ungrateful for the US presence, but regularly has mass public displays of anti-US anger including flag burning. |
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Reggie
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| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| There's no need for Americans to spill blood over Holy Land crap and the propaganda I see insinuating that this might or should occur I find sickening. |
Speaking of the Holy Land crap, the Israelis and their lobby in the USA need to have faith in the god of Hebrew mythology instead of faith in American taxpayers. I'm tired of being the one Israelis always turn to for blessings and assistance. It says a lot about Judaism and Israelis faith in it when they look to me as their god instead of the guy in their religious texts. |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 9:08 am Post subject: |
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| In the same breath however, he thinks its fine to keep pouring $42 billion per annum into the anti-american bottomless pit that is south korea |
You're always saying it's antisemitic to be against giving aid to Israel. In fairness, doesn't that mean that you and I are racist against Korean people since we're against aid to South Korea? |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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It went from this:
| Junior wrote: |
South Korea held massive anti-american demonstrations a few years ago, millions poured onto the streets shouting DOWN WITH THE UNITED STATES!They burned and trod all over dozens of american flags.
Then koreans besieged US army bases, harassing and intimidating US servicemen. The national media was filled with anti american hatred. |
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| Junior wrote: |
At any one actual street demo, we're talking many hundreds of thousands.
If you count all the Koreans there in spirit though...then we're talking millions. Certainly everyone who watched the typically one-sided news reports, apollo ohno and all the other guff that was spewed at the time. |
lol |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
But this is just one of the numerous points that caniff fails on.
He maintains that the US should quit backing the pro-American asset that is Israel, because it costs $3 billion a year. Never mind the various ways in which the US benefits from this alliance.
In the same breath however, he thinks its fine to keep pouring $42 billion per annum into the anti-american bottomless pit that is south korea, from which it gains absolutely zero in return. |
You know, I'm all for having a discussion (or even an argument if it's warranted) but you are getting really tiresome.
Let's start here: Where did I say I thought it was okay for the US to keep pumping money into Korea? What gave you that idea? Do you know how to read? I mean really, do you?
I remember that I said that there have been some benefits to the US/ROK alliance from the American perspective, but I NEVER said I was okay with the continued flow of American dollars in that direction. I just said it was less controversial on the world stage than having Isreal take our money while they feel the right to constantly tell us what to do to bolster their own very iffy moral and geographic position.
Do they teach reading comprehension in South African schools? Seriously, you seem to suck in that department.
*I'm annoyed because it's day 3 off cigarettes and then I log onto this site just to read crap from afar directed at me personally.
Still, it is the internet and this is to be expected. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Reggie wrote: |
| caniff wrote: |
| There's no need for Americans to spill blood over Holy Land crap and the propaganda I see insinuating that this might or should occur I find sickening. |
Speaking of the Holy Land crap, the Israelis and their lobby in the USA need to have faith in the god of Hebrew mythology instead of faith in American taxpayers. I'm tired of being the one Israelis always turn to for blessings and assistance. It says a lot about Judaism and Israelis faith in it when they look to me as their god instead of the guy in their religious texts. |
I'd be genuinely shocked if any Israeli took the leap from, "An inestimably tiny bit of Reggie's tax money goes to provide us military assistance," to, "Reggie is my deity and I want his blessing." |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| You know, I'm all for having a discussion (or even an argument if it's warranted) but you are getting really tiresome. |
boo hoo. So then stop harping on about it. I had put this thread to bed ages gago but you just kept harping on.
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| I just said it was less controversial on the world stage than having Isreal take our money while they feel the right to constantly tell us what to do to bolster their own very iffy moral and geographic position. |
No, you've ignored the fact that the US assists plenty of countries, with more money than Israel, that have worse humanitarian records. Isn't it time you got off their case?
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You have made out massive anti-US demonstrations to be insignificant. Brush them under the carpet. "Lets just continue the $42 billion funding package".
Imagine if those demos had happened in Israel?. All aid would have been stopped within a day. |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| I'd be genuinely shocked if any Israeli took the leap from, "An inestimably tiny bit of Reggie's tax money goes to provide us military assistance," to, "Reggie is my deity and I want his blessing." |
It does seem shocking. I never cease to be amazed at how the Israelis have more faith in me than the god they ostensibly worship. I long for the day they give up on me. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| No, you've ignored the fact that the US assists plenty of countries, with more money than Israel, that have worse humanitarian records. Isn't it time you got off their case? |
Oh, so I said somewhere that we should be giving other countries money but not Israel? I've ignored nothing, but you've thrown a bunch of "But look over there!" nonsense into the debate.
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| So then stop harping on about it. |
You'd like that, I'm sure. Tell you what, I'll do whatever I want which right now would be to recommend that you sue whichever school system that was supposed to be responsible for your education. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:14 am Post subject: |
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| Reggie wrote: |
| I long for the day they give up on me. |
I'm not against stopping US aid to Israel.
I just want everything to be done as fairly and equally as possible.
That means, also stopping aid to all those dozens of other countries with apalling human rights records.
But of course the US will do neither. Because it actually benefits enormously by giving aid to Israel. It is in american interests to do so. Israel is not a drain on the american economy, it is an assett. If you've heard otherwise, then you've been listening to the anti- Israeli press.
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| I've ignored nothing |
Why don't I see you and everyone else starting threads titled e.g.
"Should the US cut back aid to Turkey?
or
"Isn't it time we stopped supporting Libya?"
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"Why don't we stop aid to Korea, they are a drain on the economy"
Why is that exactly? |
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