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alljokingaside
Joined: 17 Feb 2010
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it's a long hard road out of hell
-2/11/2011, on the blackjack table |
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Illysook
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:52 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
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| morality is all about lovd..mahybe -loving them more that we do ourselves. |
Morality is not about love. |
If you love your neighbor as your self, you will not steal from your neighbor, you won't rape your neighbor, you won't murder your neighbor you are going to pay your neighbor a fair wage when he works for you. These are all moral issues.
Now, as far as sex is concerned, it is an intimate bonding experience and if you love your neighbor as yourself, you are going to be careful and respectful with it. For many people, this means marriage...even if they have sex first. Ever heard the phrase "making an honest woman of her?" This is an old reference to the fact that many people have had premarital sex. Many cultures want to discourage this, but punishment is nearly non-existant as long as couples are responsible about it. The taking of responsibility is a large part of this moral issue. If you love someone, you are not going to disrespect your bond or abandon them when they need you most. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:02 am Post subject: |
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| Illysook wrote: |
If you love your neighbor as your self ... |
People do self-destructive things to harm themselves. As such, "loving" your neighbor in the same way that you "love" yourself is clearly no impediment to harmful behavior. Further, nothing about doing the things you describe as moral requires loving the other person at all. Love and morality are totally separate in what you describe above; you can behave in the fashion you describe without loving them, and you refrain from harming your neighbor without love, and you can opt to harm your neighbor despite loving them. The entire concept of your simplistic, "If you love person X, you will behave in fashion Y," theory is quite dubious. Emotions and actions don't have the 1:1 correlation you're trying to make them out as having.
Morality is not about love. |
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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:07 am Post subject: |
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quit puking your borrowed morals on us there dude.
In response to people like the idiot above
" people who think they know" Dont know"
or 'the more people think they know the less they actually do"
"morals are for idiots who dont know any better"
"people like to pass on second hand information as if its something they actually experienced"
people will fight hard to defend beliefs that weren't even really theirs in the first place . |
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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:09 am Post subject: |
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If a Child asks you why it is raining , say that god is crying.
If he asks why god is crying tell him its because of something the he did. |
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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:11 am Post subject: |
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Why is there no green wine?
there is green grapes but no green wine? strange
( from an old Sctv episode making fun of George Carlin) |
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Kurtz
Joined: 05 Jan 2007
Location: ples bilong me
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| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:17 am Post subject: |
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| Philosophers are only good talkers, in practical terms, they are a waste of space. |
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Illysook
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:55 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Illysook wrote: |
If you love your neighbor as your self ... |
People do self-destructive things to harm themselves. As such, "loving" your neighbor in the same way that you "love" yourself is clearly no impediment to harmful behavior. Further, nothing about doing the things you describe as moral requires loving the other person at all. Love and morality are totally separate in what you describe above; you can behave in the fashion you describe without loving them, and you refrain from harming your neighbor without love, and you can opt to harm your neighbor despite loving them. The entire concept of your simplistic, "If you love person X, you will behave in fashion Y," theory is quite dubious. Emotions and actions don't have the 1:1 correlation you're trying to make them out as having.
Morality is not about love. |
You define love as an emotion and say that love and behavior are poorly correlated. I would define love not as a mere correlation, but as a verb. This means that love is an action. Loving one's neighbor as oneself means that love in action is to treat that neighbor as you would want to be treated. This is moral behavior. If someone doesn't treat another person well, one is not loving that person well. This is the essence of immorality. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Illysook wrote: |
You define love as an emotion ... |
Me and almost everyone else. Love is an emotion.
| Illysook wrote: |
| I would define love not as a mere correlation, but as a verb. |
Then you're just using, "to love," as a synonym for, "to do what's right," which is incorrect based on common usage. I have no especial problem with you self defining words (so long as you explain what you mean by them), but it does mean the "love" you're talking about isn't the same love that the rest of us are talking about.
As far as the golden rule goes, I don't think it's an effective moral arbiter. It might guard against hypocrisy or ward against some really obvious harmful behavior when utilized by the average person, but that's about as far as it gets. |
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Stalin84
Joined: 30 Dec 2009
Location: Haebangchon, Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Kurtz wrote: |
| Philosophers are only good talkers, in practical terms, they are a waste of space. |
____________ (Teachers, Lawyers, Presidents, Priests, Psychologists, Professors etc) are only good talkers, in practical terms, they are a waste of space. |
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Kurtz
Joined: 05 Jan 2007
Location: ples bilong me
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| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Stalin84 wrote: |
| Kurtz wrote: |
| Philosophers are only good talkers, in practical terms, they are a waste of space. |
____________ (Teachers, Lawyers, Presidents, Priests, Psychologists, Professors etc) are only good talkers, in practical terms, they are a waste of space. |
Wrong, they are vocations imparting help, advice and knowledge that can be used in the real world, philosophising is an avocation. |
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tealeeds1
Joined: 08 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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today it snowed. and that made me think about water.
i mean - as a general rule for all substances, when they heat up they expand and when they cool they contract, and their mass per square inch would thus decrease in warm weather and increase in cold weather. I guess the best example would a thermomenter - if its warm, the mercury expands and rises, if its cool it contracts and sinks. Or air - warm air rises, cold air sinks..
But water expands when it cools. Ice floats. But a bottle of water in the freezer, it'll burst... Why?
If water obeyed the general laws of science and life, ice would sink.... It would sink to the bootom of ocean floor, where it would presumably be really really cold and it would stay frozen. In turn, surely the water level would rise, thus submerging most of the coastal world?
But. Water doesn't obey the laws, and ice floats, thus saving the world.
Why does water do this? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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| tealeeds1 wrote: |
today it snowed. and that made me think about water.
i mean - as a general rule for all substances, when they heat up they expand and when they cool they contract, and their mass per square inch would thus decrease in warm weather and increase in cold weather. I guess the best example would a thermomenter - if its warm, the mercury expands and rises, if its cool it contracts and sinks. Or air - warm air rises, cold air sinks..
But water expands when it cools. Ice floats. But a bottle of water in the freezer, it'll burst... Why?
If water obeyed the general laws of science and life, ice would sink.... It would sink to the bootom of ocean floor, where it would presumably be really really cold and it would stay frozen. In turn, surely the water level would rise, thus submerging most of the coastal world?
But. Water doesn't obey the laws, and ice floats, thus saving the world.
Why does water do this? |
Because of hydrogen bonding. |
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chellovek
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Kurtz wrote: |
| Philosophers are only good talkers, in practical terms, they are a waste of space. |
Hmm, I believe what we term science was once called "Natural Philosophy", you might also find the first few chapters of Bertrand Russell's "History of Western Philosophy" illuminating. Seems like typical Dave's philistinism dismissing philosophising out of hand so casually.
On the other hand, if you were trolling, carry on!  |
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Globutron
Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang
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| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| 'The only thing left for philosophers is the analysis of language' What a downstep from the great days of Kant and aristotle! - Hawking quoting another philosopher of the modern day who says modern science fills in the gaps that philosophers don't, because they aren't smart enough anymore. |
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