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MA_TESOL



Joined: 11 Nov 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:59 am    Post subject: Very Important info for Americans Reply with quote

i was preparing my taxes when I came across this: Report of Foreign Bank and Financial Accounts. Apparently, if we have had 10H or more in a bank account here in the year we are required to fill out a form and send it to the Treasury Department. Failure to do this could result in very draconian fines and even jail time.

I knew nothing about this in the 8 years that I have been here and so never reported it. I filed my taxes, but apparently this is a separate thing. just type in "Report of Foreign Bank and Financial Accounts" in Google and you can read about it/

Now I am quite worried!!!!!
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hondaicivic



Joined: 01 Jul 2010
Location: Daegu, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:16 am    Post subject: Re: Very Important info for Americans Reply with quote

MA_TESOL wrote:
i was preparing my taxes when I came across this: Report of Foreign Bank and Financial Accounts. Apparently, if we have had 10H or more in a bank account here in the year we are required to fill out a form and send it to the Treasury Department. Failure to do this could result in very draconian fines and even jail time.

I knew nothing about this in the 8 years that I have been here and so never reported it. I filed my taxes, but apparently this is a separate thing. just type in "Report of Foreign Bank and Financial Accounts" in Google and you can read about it/

Now I am quite worried!!!!!



The US government and the IRS can go f*** themselves if they think they can force us to report how much we got in our KEB/NH banks.
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chellovek



Joined: 29 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:18 am    Post subject: Re: Very Important info for Americans Reply with quote

hondaicivic wrote:
MA_TESOL wrote:
i was preparing my taxes when I came across this: Report of Foreign Bank and Financial Accounts. Apparently, if we have had 10H or more in a bank account here in the year we are required to fill out a form and send it to the Treasury Department. Failure to do this could result in very draconian fines and even jail time.

I knew nothing about this in the 8 years that I have been here and so never reported it. I filed my taxes, but apparently this is a separate thing. just type in "Report of Foreign Bank and Financial Accounts" in Google and you can read about it/

Now I am quite worried!!!!!



The US government and the IRS can go f*** themselves if they think they can force us to report how much we got in our KEB/NH banks.


I agree with the car.
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:27 am    Post subject: Re: Very Important info for Americans Reply with quote

MA_TESOL wrote:
Apparently, if we have had 10H or more in a bank account


How much is that?
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MA_TESOL



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

soory. That is 10.000 US equivalent 10K
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recessiontime



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MA_TESOL wrote:
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Did they teach you to be an obedient surf @ San Jose State university?
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Radius



Joined: 20 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:11 am    Post subject: Re: Very Important info for Americans Reply with quote

chellovek wrote:
hondaicivic wrote:
MA_TESOL wrote:
i was preparing my taxes when I came across this: Report of Foreign Bank and Financial Accounts. Apparently, if we have had 10H or more in a bank account here in the year we are required to fill out a form and send it to the Treasury Department. Failure to do this could result in very draconian fines and even jail time.

I knew nothing about this in the 8 years that I have been here and so never reported it. I filed my taxes, but apparently this is a separate thing. just type in "Report of Foreign Bank and Financial Accounts" in Google and you can read about it/

Now I am quite worried!!!!!




The US government and the IRS can go f*** themselves if they think they can force us to report how much we got in our KEB/NH banks.


I agree with the car.


lol I'm also with you and the car!
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Italy37612



Joined: 25 Jan 2010
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Very Important info for Americans Reply with quote

hondaicivic wrote:

The US government and the IRS can go f*** themselves if they think they can force us to report how much we got in our KEB/NH banks.


+1 to the car as well. The IRS can go play Russian Roulette with a semi-automatic pistol for all I care.
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pangaea



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really don't see the IRS taking the time and effort of dealing with the distance and language barrier just to look into the foreign bank accounts of US teachers in SK to find out if they should have filled out a form.
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AsiaESLbound



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A $10,000 fine is draconian to us, but not so much so to those with millions of dollars off shoring (hiding) their taxable money in foreign accounts. I never heard of this filing foreign bank accounts by June 30th stuff, but the IRS still hasn't updated it's site to allow full real time services to submit filings and print documents as needed in any case. While these laws invented are mainly aimed at the wealthy off shoring their money, I would not write off the chance of the IRS frying small fish like English teachers. This is when you wished you had a dad or brother working in finance or law willing to help you keep your matters straight.
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Kwangjuchicken



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been in Korea 11 years. I have also never heard of this. My second mother has had tax people do my stuff since I came here. Well, she can no longer help. I would like to know how many have ever heard of this and done it?

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Kwangjuchicken



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you go to this site it looks as if we do not need to do this because we are not residents of The United States because we have Alien Registration Cards because we are residents of Korea NOT The United States. But then, it becomes contradictory by the meaning of the term �united States Person�


www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=148849,00.html

Note: Announcement 2010-16 temporarily suspends, for persons who are not United States citizens, United States residents or domestic entities, the requirement to file Form TD F 90-22.1 for the 2009 and earlier calendar years. The Announcement supplements and supersedes Announcement 2009-51.
This Announcement suspends, for persons who are not United States citizens,
United States residents, or domestic entities (corporations, partnerships, trusts, or
estates), the requirement to file Form TD F 90-22.1, Report of Foreign Bank and
Financial Accounts (FBAR), for the 2009 and earlier calendar years.

The requirement to file an FBAR due on June 30, 2010, is suspended for
persons who are not United States citizens, United States residents, or domestic
entities. Additionally, all persons may rely on the definition of �United States person�
found in the July 2000 version of the FBAR instructions to determine if they have an
FBAR filing obligation for the 2009 and earlier calendar years. The definition of �United
States person� from the July 2000 version of the FBAR is:

United States Person The term �United States person� means (1) a citizen or
resident of the United States, (2) a domestic partnership, (3) a domestic
corporation, or (4) a domestic estate or trust.
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Kwangjuchicken



Joined: 01 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kwangjuchicken wrote:
If you go to this site it looks as if we do not need to do this because we are not residents of The United States because we have Alien Registration Cards because we are residents of Korea NOT The United States. But then, it becomes contradictory by the meaning of the term �united States Person�


www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=148849,00.html

Note: Announcement 2010-16 temporarily suspends, for persons who are not United States citizens, United States residents or domestic entities, the requirement to file Form TD F 90-22.1 for the 2009 and earlier calendar years. The Announcement supplements and supersedes Announcement 2009-51.
This Announcement suspends, for persons who are not United States citizens,
United States residents, or domestic entities (corporations, partnerships, trusts, or
estates), the requirement to file Form TD F 90-22.1, Report of Foreign Bank and
Financial Accounts (FBAR), for the 2009 and earlier calendar years.

The requirement to file an FBAR due on June 30, 2010, is suspended for
persons who are not United States citizens, United States residents, or domestic
entities. Additionally, all persons may rely on the definition of �United States person�
found in the July 2000 version of the FBAR instructions to determine if they have an
FBAR filing obligation for the 2009 and earlier calendar years. The definition of �United
States person� from the July 2000 version of the FBAR is:

United States Person The term �United States person� means (1) a citizen or
resident of the United States, (2) a domestic partnership, (3) a domestic
corporation, or (4) a domestic estate or trust.


So, it looks like we had to do this before 2009 because of the definition of "United States Person", but do not need to for 2010 because we are not a resident of the United States, and the new rule also means that we are no longer responsible for missed times. And now it is for, for example, Mr. X, an American who lives in America (an American resident), but has an account in a foreign country that goes over 10,000$. What do you think?
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Kwangjuchicken



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK. I found the answer. We do need to do this. In my case 2010 was the first time I went over the amount. So, I am OK. I will have to do it for 2010. No problem. Seems quite simple now that I know what to do and how to do it.
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grant gerstners



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bump.
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