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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009
PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
caniff wrote:
Kepler wrote:
westerners were the first to recognize that slavery was wrong.


Anyone care to confirm or refute this one?


Depends on what he means. If he means his statement literally: that members of modern societies of European ethnicity were really the first ones to recognize that slavery was wrong, he's clearly incorrect. People have been arguing slavery was wrong for thousands of years. They weren't even the first to have a government begin trying to remove the institution of slavery. Emperor Wang Mang in China was trying to outlaw the slave trade around the time Christ was alive (an attempt that ended in failure, but an attempt by the ruler of the nation none the less).

If, on the other hand, he spoke a bit clumsily and actually meant that those western societies were the first to successfully shrug off the institution of slavery after having tasted its fruits, maybe. However, that's not because they were the first to have their ethically-inclined citizens recognize the abomination in slavery, but rather because they were the first societies who had access to economic models that allowed everyone else to go along with those ethically minded individuals while still living well. If there's something to pat the Europeans on the back about here, it's about their inventiveness leading to a viable alternative to slavery more than some sort of real ethics-driven sacrifice.
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009
PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
travel zen wrote:
Hate filled posts. You guys are so scared of black people.

Do you feel inadequate ? Too much porn make you feel small ?

Don't watch Blacks on Blondes, you'll lose your mind and end it all Laughing Laughing


Tone down the insecurity. If you think someone says something blatantly false, correct them and provide evidence that they are wrong.
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Kuros



Joined: 27 Apr 2004
PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Fox wrote:
Fat_Elvis wrote:
African-Americans were brought to the USA in chains as slaves and have suffered centuries of some of the worst kinds of racism. If there is a culture of crime, violence and welfare dependency in parts of the African-American community it is surely largely attributable to this.


I think we far too readily dismiss the possibility that different peoples who evolved in different environments are more likely to be disposed towards different modes of life.


Are even you falling back on the biological thesis, as well?

Statistics cannot provide any evidence of whether the disparities are hereditary or cultural, inherited or learned.
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stilicho25



Joined: 05 Apr 2010
PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I would like to see breakdown of crime stats over time. I am betting that in 50's when most families had two parents crime was much lower, and then you would see a gradual increase till the Johnson's great society programs, when it would explode. I think you would also see a big increase around Reagan cutting great society programs.
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009
PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kuros wrote:
Fox wrote:
Fat_Elvis wrote:
African-Americans were brought to the USA in chains as slaves and have suffered centuries of some of the worst kinds of racism. If there is a culture of crime, violence and welfare dependency in parts of the African-American community it is surely largely attributable to this.


I think we far too readily dismiss the possibility that different peoples who evolved in different environments are more likely to be disposed towards different modes of life.


Are even you falling back on the biological thesis, as well?

Statistics cannot provide any evidence of whether the disparities are hereditary or cultural, inherited or learned.


Not falling back on it so much as being unwilling to dismiss it out of hand as an obvious non-factor. That's why I emphasized the word possibility. You're right that the statistics cannot really provide evidence of cause, but without understanding of cause, we can't properly interpret statistics, and emotionally-laden narratives of white guilt only help us achieve a sufficient understanding to actually work towards an effective solution if those narratives match up with reality.
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mises



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/34138

^ an interesting discussion about minority crime, incarceration, the family and solutions.

The women are unable to maintain civil discourse. The lady on the left is a liberal creationist and the lady on the right a conservative law and order type. They are without common ground.
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travel zen



Joined: 22 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Not falling back on it so much as being unwilling to dismiss it out of hand as an obvious non-factor. That's why I emphasized the word possibility. You're right that the statistics cannot really provide evidence of cause, but without understanding of cause, we can't properly interpret statistics, and emotionally-laden narratives of white guilt only help us achieve a sufficient understanding to actually work towards an effective solution if those narratives match up with reality.


Haha. Rarely have I heard such balony.

First of all, I can't believe a 'white' person who has lived in the West and has been educated even minimally here could vomit this ignorance so I believe most here are either Korean or Chinese (whose Western history would be different).

This is Black History Month, and you knobs still don't know a thing about the West Rolling Eyes Shame.
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Fox



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
travel zen wrote:

Haha. Rarely have I heard such balony.


If you have solid, data-based evidence that demonstrates beyond a reasonable doubt that biology plays absolutely no role in behavior, present it and I'll be overjoyed to look it over. Otherwise, spare me the pathetic whining; no matter how much insecurity-driven invective you hurl at me, my position of agnosticism on this matter isn't going to change. I'm sorry that makes you feel bad about yourself.

travel zen wrote:
This is Black History Month ...


Not in Korea it's not.
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Kuros



Joined: 27 Apr 2004
PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Fox wrote:
Kuros wrote:
Fox wrote:
Fat_Elvis wrote:
African-Americans were brought to the USA in chains as slaves and have suffered centuries of some of the worst kinds of racism. If there is a culture of crime, violence and welfare dependency in parts of the African-American community it is surely largely attributable to this.


I think we far too readily dismiss the possibility that different peoples who evolved in different environments are more likely to be disposed towards different modes of life.


Are even you falling back on the biological thesis, as well?

Statistics cannot provide any evidence of whether the disparities are hereditary or cultural, inherited or learned.


Not falling back on it so much as being unwilling to dismiss it out of hand as an obvious non-factor. That's why I emphasized the word possibility. You're right that the statistics cannot really provide evidence of cause, but without understanding of cause, we can't properly interpret statistics, and emotionally-laden narratives of white guilt only help us achieve a sufficient understanding to actually work towards an effective solution if those narratives match up with reality.


Well, Fox, if I give you a white guilt trip please call me on it. In the meantime, I'm going to presume the disparities are hereditary and learned, yes, because of the political implications. If that's political correctness, so be it.
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