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Getting a university job with a distance M.A.
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bobbybigfoot



Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's an order of ranking to all this:

(1) Top tier uni, on campus MA, Thesis
(2) Top tier, on campus MA, no thesis
(3) on campus MA, Thesis
(4) on campus MA, no thesis
(5) online MA, thesis
(6) online MA, no thesis

Any MA is better than no MA, but not all MAs are equal.
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Poker



Joined: 16 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bobbybigfoot wrote:
There's an order of ranking to all this:

(1) Top tier uni, on campus MA, Thesis
(2) Top tier, on campus MA, no thesis
(3) on campus MA, Thesis
(4) on campus MA, no thesis
(5) online MA, thesis
(6) online MA, no thesis

Any MA is better than no MA, but not all MAs are equal.


So where would an interview panel rank a MA AppLing/TESOL done with a Korean University fit in that list? No.3? or No.7?
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bobbybigfoot



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poker wrote:
So where would an interview panel rank a MA AppLing/TESOL done with a Korean University fit in that list? No.3? or No.7?


Is this a bonafide university? Was a thesis done? If so, #3.
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Poker



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bobbybigfoot wrote:
Poker wrote:
So where would an interview panel rank a MA AppLing/TESOL done with a Korean University fit in that list? No.3? or No.7?


Is this a bonafide university? Was a thesis done? If so, #3.


Ok, was just wondering if they looked down on MAs done in Korean Uni as opposed to one done in an applicant's English speaking home country.
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bobbybigfoot



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poker wrote:

Ok, was just wondering if they looked down on MAs done in Korean Uni as opposed to one done in an applicant's English speaking home country.


I would think it would be just the opposite. Happy to see you supporting Korea.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bobbybigfoot wrote:
Poker wrote:

Ok, was just wondering if they looked down on MAs done in Korean Uni as opposed to one done in an applicant's English speaking home country.


I would think it would be just the opposite. Happy to see you supporting Korea.


You'd think, right? But I'm sure I'm not the only one that has seen job adverts for unis saying that the degree MUST be from an English speaking country.
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offtheoche



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poker wrote:
Ok, was just wondering if they looked down on MAs done in Korean Uni as opposed to one done in an applicant's English speaking home country.


Not knocking you, but I would never do an MA outside one of the seven English speaking countries.

I mean if your bachelors degree isn't from one of the big seven, then you wouldn't be able to get a work visa here.

A B.A/M.A from any uni from the big seven countries is worth far more (in terms of job prospects/value held by employers), than an equivalent qualification from ANY Korean uni imo.
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Poker



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

offtheoche wrote:
Poker wrote:
Ok, was just wondering if they looked down on MAs done in Korean Uni as opposed to one done in an applicant's English speaking home country.


Not knocking you, but I would never do an MA outside one of the seven English speaking countries.

I mean if your bachelors degree isn't from one of the big seven, then you wouldn't be able to get a work visa here.

A B.A/M.A from any uni from the big seven countries is worth far more (in terms of job prospects/value held by employers), than an equivalent qualification from ANY Korean uni imo.


Is what you are saying from experience/knowledge or just how you feel about it? I am in the process of collecting as much info as I can.

Before I embark on a MA it is good to know all the implications. Like Distance versus On-campus, AppLing versus TESOL, Korean MA versus Home country MA.
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offtheoche



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poker wrote:

Is what you are saying from experience/knowledge or just how you feel about it? I am in the process of collecting as much info as I can.

Before I embark on a MA it is good to know all the implications. Like Distance versus On-campus, AppLing versus TESOL, Korean MA versus Home country MA.


Well firstly.....if you have B.A from a Korean university you will NOT be able to work legally as an English instructor in Korea. That's hardly a positive endorsement imo.

Secondly, I've been on a couple of university hiring committees, where graduate quals outside of the big seven countries has automatically led to the applicant's application being put in the trash can.

Thirdly, there ARE UK/US universities which allow candidates to do an onsite M.A, whilst flying over their instructors to Korea and using the facilities at Korean universities. So you don't have to do an online M.A from a western university.

Finally imo, whether it's staying in Asia or returning home, you can't BEAT having ALL of your quals from a western university.
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Carbon



Joined: 28 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

offtheoche wrote:


Well firstly.....if you have B.A from a Korean university you will NOT be able to work legally as an English instructor in Korea. That's hardly a positive endorsement imo.

Secondly, I've been on a couple of university hiring committees, where graduate quals outside of the big seven countries has automatically led to the applicant's application being put in the trash can.

Thirdly, there ARE UK/US universities which allow candidates to do an onsite M.A, whilst flying over their instructors to Korea and using the facilities at Korean universities. So you don't have to do an online M.A from a western university.

Finally imo, whether it's staying in Asia or returning home, you can't BEAT having ALL of your quals from a western university.


There it is. On a hiring committee, a Korean would perhaps see your having completed an MA locally as a plus (but only in the "wow...you like kimchee!!)" way. They too know that there are far better institutions out there. A foreign committee member probably wouldn't think much of a local degree. Certainly, as quoted, a Korean degree back home is....diminished in value.

That being said, I plan to do an MA locally, just for the heck of it. I have one from the West, so having one locally would be nothing but a plus (aside from the cost, of course). If you are a long-termer, it would be a good add-on to having a graduate degree from a Western uni.
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zappadelta



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While getting an MA from a big name school or doing it on site certainly might open some doors, in my experience here in Korea it doesn't matter where the MA is from or if it was done online. It matters what you do with it (making connections in the field), and what you do after you get it (research and presenting).
Most of the people that I know who have top positions in this field (myself included) have a distance MA and didn't necessarily get it from a big name school. In fact, some of them have MAs from a university that is in my own state that I never even heard of before coming to Korea. But, they worked their butts off while getting the degree and after getting it, made the right connections because of this, and have top positions teaching content classes in departments with full vacation, good pay, and respect.
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livinginkorea



Joined: 11 Jun 2004
Location: Korea, South of the border

PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think if you are planning to stay in Korea for a while then doing a MA here is fine. I know plenty who have done it and most of them went into university teaching after they graduated.

Also, taking a class is a great way to network to hear about job openings. The last two jobs I got weren't advertised.
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bobbybigfoot



Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Op, if you have a high enough grade point average and getting accepted into most/all MA courses is not an issue, then, yes, stick with a bonafide university back in your own country.

If money is not an issue/fees are not outrageous, then do an on campus MA with a thesis. An online degree cannot match the value/experience you will get out of a traditional degree.

Please bare in mind that Korea is a strange animal. Just because Korea excepts anyone and everyone with any degree doesn't mean these degrees hold value back home.

If your purpose is to work exclusively in Korea, then go the online route and get the cheapest one you can. If you actually want the option of having a career back home, get a respectable on-campus MA from a solid university that doesn't sell off its degrees to the masses.

A proper MA with thesis is an exhausting process. They are hard to get accepted into, your thesis has to be approved, and you are required to rise to the occasion.

Alot of schools are now watering down their MAs and pushing them out like candy to make a fast buck. And it isn't only Australia doing this.
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calicoe



Joined: 23 Dec 2008
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very good points Bobbybigfoot. However, if the OP doesn't mind, I'd like to pose my own question:

What if I already have a very good master's degree with thesis, from a top university in another field, but want a second master's degree for an ESL qualification? It is already obvious form my prior degrees that I am educated, but I want that specific credential to teach ESL.

If it is an add-on, is online (with a thesis) more acceptable?
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olsanairbase



Joined: 30 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

livinginkorea wrote:
I think if you are planning to stay in Korea for a while then doing a MA here is fine. I know plenty who have done it and most of them went into university teaching after they graduated.

Also, taking a class is a great way to network to hear about job openings. The last two jobs I got weren't advertised.


Outside of Korea in other place,s like the Middle East, that is a very different story. 1-4 yes; 5-6 not a chance.
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