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angma
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jrwhite82
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| sirius black wrote: |
2. Children cheat. They may or may not understand it in kindergarten but the FACT that they cheat at all educational levels (and oftentimes as adults) tells me its a cultural thing. |
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Cheating Statistics
This is a listing of various survey results (some scientific -- some not) related to test cheating.
According to surveys in U.S. News and World Report:
80% of "high-achieving" high school students admit to cheating.
51% of high school students did not believe cheating was wrong.
95% of cheating high school students said that they had not been detected.
75% of college students admitted cheating, and 90% of college students didn't believe cheaters would be caught.
Almost 85% of college students said cheating was necessary to get ahead.
Professor Donald McCabe, leading expert in academic integrity, in a May 2001 study of over 4500 high school students, found the following:
72% of students reported one or more instances of serious cheating on written work
15% had submitted a paper obtained in large part from a term paper mill or website
52% had copied a few sentences from a website w/o citing the source
over 45% admitted to collaborating inappropriately with others on assignments
In a sample of 1,800 students at nine state universities:
70% of the students admitted to cheating on exams
84% admitted to cheating on written assignments
52% had copied a few sentences from a website w/o citing the source
Kerkvliet, J., & Sigmund, C. L. (1999). Can we control cheating in the classroom? Journal of Economic Education, 30(4), 331-351.
Ashworth, P., Bannister, P., & Thorne, P. (1997). "Guilty in whose eyes? University students' perceptions of cheating and plagiarism in academic work and assessment." Studies in Higher Education, 22(2), 187-203. (EJ 549 250)
from the November 22, 1999 issue of U.S. News and World Report
from The Center for Academic Integrity (http://www.academicintegrity.org/)
McCabe, D. L., & Trevino, L. K. (1996). "What we know about cheating in college: Longitudinal trends and recent developments." Change, 28(1), 28-33. (EJ 520 088) |
Yes, I cheated and copied this entire post from the first google hit that came up on my search...but all their sources are listed. This "its a cultural thing" BS is just ridiculous. Everyone is cheating.
From Wikipedia which I thought was interesting (especially the last part):
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Extensive studies have found that no personal characteristics correlate well with cheating, that is, there are no people "born to cheat".[30] Indeed, one experiment found that there was no relationship between how a student performed on a morality test and his likelihood of cheating (that is, students at a pre-conventional stage of morality are as likely to cheat as those at a post-conventional stage).[31]
Demographic variables are also generally not strongly correlated with cheating, with a few minor exceptions. It has been found that younger students are somewhat more likely to cheat: one study finding the highest incidence of cheating occurs during Sophomore year at college.[32] Also, while it was found that men cheated slightly more often than women in the 1960s, that gap has disappeared in recent years.[33] Another demographic variable that affects cheating behavior is academic achievement, in that students who perform poorly tend to cheat more than students who perform well.[33] For instance, low grades and low SAT scores have a correlation with high levels of cheating.[34] In addition, parental education shows a weak but positive correlation with cheating; students whose parents received college degrees are slightly more likely to cheat than are students whose parents did not attend college.[34] Generally though, race, nationality, and class all show little correlation with academic misconduct. There is also no correlation between how religious someone is and the likelihood that that person will cheat. A comparison between students of different religions yielded similar results, although the study did show that Jews tend to cheat less than members of other religions (since the study was done in the early 60s, it is possible that Jews were benefiting from the above-mentioned relationship between cheating and parental college education).[35] One of the strongest demographic correlations with academic misconduct in the United States is with language. Students who speak English as a second language have been shown to commit academic dishonesty more and are more likely to be caught than native speakers, since they will often not want to rewrite sources in their own words, fearing that the meaning of the sentence will be lost through poor paraphrasing skills.[36] In the University of California system, international students make up 10% of the student body but comprise 47% of academic dishonesty cases.[37] |
So maybe, they are only cheating in their language classes more often?
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| Sirus I agree. I've only ever taught adults and they cheat. I have had students in the past ask me for the test paper. I've known admin. pass on papers to their friends/ lovers. I kid you not. I think I'll write a book about the goings on at my place of work, when I leave Korea. Problem is nobody would believe me!! |
It's not that no one would believe you, it's that what you are experiencing here is not unique in the academic world at all. So no one would really care. |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| It's not that no one would believe you, it's that what you are experiencing here is not unique in the academic world at all. So no one would really care. |
Hush now...common sense has no place in this thread! |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| willteachforfood wrote: |
| [The Korean is always right, the foreigner is always wrong. I don't think that anyone has any right to refute this. |
How about anyone who has had the complete opposite experience? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| sirius black wrote: |
I've been in Korea long enough to vote for the posts that said
1. Generally speaking hogwons are a business. Given a choice, keep the parents (typically the ajumas) happy even if what they want is not conducive to teaching.
2. Children cheat. They may or may not understand it in kindergarten but the FACT that they cheat at all educational levels (and oftentimes as adults) tells me its a cultural thing. |
If it were a cultural thing...then Western students would never cheat or for that matter any other students who were not Korean. |
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sirius black
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| You're right in that its not a purey korean thing. Children cheat as I said. However, from what I've seen it happens more often here than I've seen in the states. Not scientifically proven and will concede its possible American kids cheat as much or more. However, I would be suprised if so. The kids cheat at everthing it seems. Even games. I've warned about it to the class and usually had to stop games due to too much cheating. I have read an article once that said China is much worse. |
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