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bucheon bum
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Let's give credit where credit is due and acknowledge that George W. Bush's foreign policy has a major role in this, for better and for worse. Certainly he has done far more than either Bill Clinton or Barack Obama, again for better and for worse. |
This makes me want to puke.
No
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Uggh, I feel sick just reading that. What brings you to that conclusion? Anything besides a dumb hunch and a belief in the crap that came out of the neo-cons mouths? |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Al Jazeera also deserves some recognition for going out of their way to keep people informed about the protests. And let us not forget that it is the king of Qatar who gives much or most of the funding to Al Jazeera. I would love to meet that man, and I am being quite serious and not sarcastic at all when I say that. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:42 am Post subject: |
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My mum just watched the whole bloody speech by Saif (Gadaffi's lad) - every last sentence of it - and she thought it was really good. "He's talking a lot of sense" she told me - "I don't know what they're all going on about when they say he was rambling - he was being very sensible!"
So he won me mam over, at least.  |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| Konglishman wrote: |
| Al Jazeera also deserves some recognition for going out of their way to keep people informed about the protests. And let us not forget that it is the king of Qatar who gives much or most of the funding to Al Jazeera. I would love to meet that man, and I am being quite serious and not sarcastic at all when I say that. |
Yes, I agree. Its coverage of protests and events in the region has been excellent. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:26 am Post subject: |
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Also from Libya:
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Demonstrators are claiming that "French-speaking African mercenaries" have been recruited by the government to attack them. The Telegraph has the story:
A Libyan journalist said of the African mercenaries: "The soldiers are vicious killers. People are so terrified of them that they've been doing everything possible to get away.
"Women and children were seen jumping off Giuliana Bridge in Benghazi to escape. Many of them were killed by the impact of hitting the water, while others were drowned."
Fatih, 26, another Benghazi resident, said: "A lot of the thugs he's employing are not Arabic speakers. They're armed to the teeth and only use live ammunition. They don't ask questions � they just shoot. Buildings and cars have been set on fire here, and the situation is getting worse. The dead and injured are everywhere.
"The mercenaries shoot from helicopters and from the top of roofs. They don't care who they kill." |
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/opinions/view/opinion/Libyas-Tools-of-Suppression-7042 |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:01 am Post subject: |
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Here's Al Jazeera's Libya Liveblog
Senior-ranking officers in Libya's air force ordered to fire upon protestors defected to Malta. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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Oh this is so horrible. I'm crying. I know people living in Libya and I am so worried now. One old guy I know is very sick. I hope he and his family are able to ride this out. I'm so thankful that all the people I know live in Tripoli and not Benghazi - though I'm starting to fear that won't make a difference anymore. Argh, the violence seems so indescriminate. I know little children living there. Their mums are such sweet gentle ladies. I know two young men who have just gone over there to see their dad. I hope they are OK. I better ring their mum and see if she is alright. She must be sick with worry about them. I hope this is all over very soon.  I'm starting to feel physically sick right now. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| 12:03am: Al Jazeera's Anita McNaught, reporting from Istanbul, says a plane sent earlier today to pick up some of the 25,000 Turkish workers in Libya had to turn back after approaching the country - because there was no-one left in air control facilities |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh this is so horrible. I'm crying. I know people living in Libya and I am so worried now. |
Its also shocking how far western governments and businesses have supported these regimes.
BP signed a US$ 900M deal with Gaddafi to explore for oil in libya a couple years ago. They were due to begin drilling on February 17th, the day the protests broke out. |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Had some (second hand) communication with friends in Tripoli and things have died down for now. They feel the worst has passed. I hope they're right. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:54 am Post subject: |
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Does anyone agree that we are seeing the end of the era of crazy dictators?
Criminals like gaddafi are dinosaurs that have suddenly been overtaken by the electronic information age.
Its appalling that monsters like him have been allowed to stay in power for 40+ years. Human society progressed far too slowly. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
Does anyone agree that we are seeing the end of the era of crazy dictators?
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Nope. There is still Myanmar, a few countries in africa, and north korea of course (but admittedly maybe not for long due to KJI's health). There are still some countries too poor to stand up to their despotic governments. |
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