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On the other hand · Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue

Not that it makes for really trenchant commentary, but this Sinophobic rant on the anti-immigration VDARE site is good for a chuckle.

It's basically a litany of unflattering anecdotes the guy has heard about China, unsupported by any statistics. He calls himself "An American", and says he spent six months in Taiwan and is married to a Chinese woman. I'm getting strong "midnight run" vibes here.

Kuros · Joined: 27 Apr 2004

rollo · Joined: 10 May 2006 Location: China

Yes the Chinese do focus on education it is one of the good points of their culture. Everyone wants to be a cultured "gentle person". The greed comes from that for dozens of centuries only the upper class had money the vast majority lived in extreme poverty. The recent Lunar New Year i talked to some Chinese who told me that the reason that "Spring Festival" was so exciting to them that they could remember that was the one time of the year they could have meat. these people were in their thirties. Unfortunately the greed and the rush to achieve material success means that any morals go out the window. Also the rush has meant that the economy is imbalanced and has a lot of flaws. Basically milk the poor for cheap labor and steal their land. This system can not last long. There is little long range thinking. Also cooperation is poor, because everyone know that the next guy is out to screw you to get ahead. It makes it difficult to get anything done. This is not an anti Chinese rant. I see the Chinese as good decent hardworking people who have been molded by various criminal regimes including the current gang of thugs

Kuros · Joined: 27 Apr 2004

Nowhere Man · Joined: 08 Feb 2004

On one hand, you've got some random internet dude comparing a population 4-5 times larger than the US to his wife and some woman athlete.

Then, you've got people saying it's true based on old expats.

My wife and Kerri Strug love true American values.

And then I talked to an old Chinese guy who said Americans used to be much more polite.

Jiminy Christmas.

Kuros · Joined: 27 Apr 2004

Nowhere Man · Joined: 08 Feb 2004

I've done Taiwan and China.

Some random guy in Taiwan going off about China is laughable.

The whole whacko site that bothered to post his post is even more laughable.

I see my role on your China hype thread as by and large the most reasonable. It's populated by people wanting to see China go down. Not that I'm enamored of China, but most of this Hype thread neglects the difference between China and the Western world.

The specific post above by OTOH reads like a long history of co-workers I had at the bottom end of this industry.

The greatest revelation I've ever had about teaching abroad was that it was my job by which I judged/defined whole countries.

It's not about being a China fanboy. It's about practically knowing how adversity is going to be shrugged off by the buzz-saw of economic potential. Yeah, I understand housing bubbles, but the near-religious assignment to "what's going to happen" just because that's the case in an already spent market (and by this I mean gutted, there's no one left to open it to).

Do you, Kuros, understand how Chinese landlords operate?

They build it, reap rent, then knock it down and build it again.

That's a vastly different attitude from the West.

Your whole housing bubble is about to affect a group of people who will knock the whole building down for peanuts and rebuild it for peanuts.

That's what's going to happen. The wrecking ball it would mean in the west is a hiccup for China.

Kuros · Joined: 27 Apr 2004

Nowhere Man · Joined: 08 Feb 2004

mises · Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/02/22/china_international

Chinese around the world.

Nowhere Man · Joined: 08 Feb 2004

that's a nice way to weigh in without weighing in.

Menino80 · Joined: 10 Jun 2007 Location: Hodor?

China gets a real bad rap in some of these 'soft power' excursions. They import Chinese workers to do the work and leave the locals out in the cold. The thing is, the imported Chinese workers are often of an analogous pay scale as the locals, plus no language barrier. And the money stays with the hanzu, more or less.

rollo · Joined: 10 May 2006 Location: China

I don't think people are so much rooting for China to go down they are rooting for changes in a system that rips off the Chinese worker.

Most people want the peasants who live on less than 400 dollars a year to have a better life it's just the way it is being done.

A Chinese friend said that the get it while you can greed comes from fears that , it could all go a way or the government could seize everything. I remember her saying that her father said to be careful a new purge come come and wipe them out.

the housing crash when it comes , may be a little softer than what was experienced in the West but it will create much more political waves. There is a lot of discontent, a boiling pot.

mises · Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rPILhiTJv7E

rollo · Joined: 10 May 2006 Location: China

Yeah they built a whole city that is basically empty. In any major city at night you will see massive complexes, and not a single light on.

China's bank regulatory agency just warned about the bubble and the dangers that are ahead. The banks are awash in bad paper and Beijing has warned about back door loans. No one knows what is out there off the books. In some areas the banks are just an ATM for the local bosses.