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Is 30 the new 60?
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Weigookin74



Joined: 26 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:45 pm    Post subject: Is 30 the new 60? Reply with quote

Is 30 the new 60? I'd be curious to know how many older teachers in their 30's and 40's are having a hard time or easy time finding a job. Also is it in the public school or private schools? Are you looking for work in the cities or rural areas? There are probably other factors such as experience teaching in Korea, race, North American vs other places, good looking or average looking, male or female, etc. Not sure what to expect or what any of us should expect. Specifically, I'd like to know if there have been problems applying or getting a job over the past year or not. What seems to be the feeling or pulse nowadays?
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tideout



Joined: 12 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Is 30 the new 60? Reply with quote

Weigookin74 wrote:
Is 30 the new 60? I'd be curious to know how many older teachers in their 30's and 40's are having a hard time or easy time finding a job. Also is it in the public school or private schools? Are you looking for work in the cities or rural areas? There are probably other factors such as experience teaching in Korea, race, North American vs other places, good looking or average looking, male or female, etc. Not sure what to expect or what any of us should expect. Specifically, I'd like to know if there have been problems applying or getting a job over the past year or not. What seems to be the feeling or pulse nowadays?


I was just offered a renewal at public school and I'm in my early 50's. I decided to leave SK but contrary to what you hear sometimes I don't think being a bit older is quite what it's made out to be (for public school jobs). I'm not familiar with Hogwons though!
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Weigookin74



Joined: 26 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive noticed people in my area who are older were hired before the "surge". But it seems new hires are young and in their 20's. I'm in my 30's doing public school and have been renewed. I've decided to stay put and wait till the recession is over because I've heard the stories. Don't know how much truth there are to them. But eventually would like to move to Seoul. Just worried about the competition I'll face.
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creeper1



Joined: 30 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL at the title of this thread. Yes 30 is the new 60 for job seekers seeking entry level PS jobs. Most people, historically, envisioned new graduates would do a year abroad after university before settling on their new career at home. The whole system is set up that way. That's why recruiters put posters up on campus etc.

Now their is a mountain of applicants for PS positions from all demographics. And for those optimists, the recession HAS ended. The job market will TAKE YEARS AND YEARS to recover though so I can guarantee this is not a temporary phenomenon. Laughing

HOWEVER 30 is the new 30 for those with higher degrees and in the university scene. Anyone in their 30s ought to be teaching in a University or have their own school set up.
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West Coast Tatterdemalion



Joined: 31 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed. If your plan is to wait out the recession in South Korea, then you will be old and gray before that happens. People seem to think that things will magically recover in the next few years. But who says it even has to recover? Many of those jobs simply aren't coming back. Either way, many teachers(including myself) are going to bite the bullet and go back home to that terrible job market. It sucks, but that's life. Also, if you do end up staying for years in Korea, it will just make it harder to get a job back home anyhow. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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crazy_arcade



Joined: 05 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

30 is a bad age to be at without a job and with a lack of credentials.....
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West Coast Tatterdemalion



Joined: 31 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

True. Just think of all the people that are 30 plus years old that have lost their jobs back home in the last few years or even just today for that matter. Plenty. It is a bad situation all the way around, no doubt. My guess is that armed robbery will be on the rise for the next few years.
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At a universitiy, you're just hitting your stride in your 40s!
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southernman



Joined: 15 Jan 2010
Location: On the mainland again

PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think if you have decent credentials age doesn't really matter for PS jobs and I think apart from the top 5% of hagwon jobs then PS is the way to go. I've just returned from a co-teachrs training for EPIK, age wasn't a problem there, or race for that matter. Everyone was either level 1 or 1+

Some of us older teachers here actually have jobs that we could walk right back into at mid level, so finding a job back home would only take one e-mail, for a decent postion.

Many of us are here because even though we had decent jobs back home. We were saving hardly anything, with taxes, rent/mortages and other cost of living expenses factored in.

I'm saving heaps more here, made 4 overseas trips and have more in the bank. If you're old and unqualified then no doubt it would be harder now. Even harder if you wanted to apply for a Hagwon job.

So in short if you are qualified age doesn't really matter in PS, at least.
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southernman



Joined: 15 Jan 2010
Location: On the mainland again

PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRagic wrote:
At a universitiy, you're just hitting your stride in your 40s!


That is true, but often you can make more money at PS with the extra classes thrown in than you can make at University
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oldtrafford



Joined: 12 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in my 50's and will retire on my pension at 60. Those of you in your 20's will be working well into your 70's, good luck!!
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chellovek



Joined: 29 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldtrafford wrote:
I'm in my 50's and will retire on my pension at 60. Those of you in your 20's will be working well into your 70's, good luck!!


Aye, paying for the bloody old people who took the cream out of the system before kicking away the ladder Mad


Compulsory death at age 60. Logan's Run was on to a winner with that concept, although, to satisfy pedants, it wasn't age 60 in that film.
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creeper1



Joined: 30 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any "old" people made redundant at home shouldn't become discouraged looking at this thread. PS schools are still better and easier than any unskilled work at home. "Old" people can also get jobs more easily if they are willing to put up with a rural location in a PS.
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MacLean



Joined: 14 Feb 2011

PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in my 40's, and I can say that last year I had great difficulty finding a new job. I finished my contract, went home for a month, then reapplied from scratch. I returned to Korea and applied from here, but it took six months to get a new PS job. I already had four years experience in public school plus an MA. It took six months. I've spoken to others in their forties and their stories were the same.

Or maybe they don't want experienced foreign teachers here. It seems at times, that Koreans think the only good foreigner is a new foreigner. Can't have people about who are aware of the shady game played by Korean employers. Bring on the naive, inexperience college grad. Confused Our gender is also working against us. Western females are less likely to sleep with Korean women.


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MacLean



Joined: 14 Feb 2011

PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was actually a thread on this at Brian in Jeollanamdo a few months ago.

http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2010/04/no-room-for-older-experienced-teachers.html
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