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chungbukdo
Joined: 22 Aug 2010
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 Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:48 am Post subject: Re: Deportation stories |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
No worries.
Still, teaching private lessons illegally or for working without a visa is a valid reason to get deported. |
Not it isn't. That's legal positivism, also known as circular logic. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:52 am Post subject: Re: Deportation stories |
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| chungbukdo wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
No worries.
Still, teaching private lessons illegally or for working without a visa is a valid reason to get deported. |
Not it isn't. That's legal positivism, also known as circular logic. |
Yeah ok, the law is wrong because you disagree with it.
I suggest you walk up to the Government and scream "Give me legal privates or give me death".
Carry on. |
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kimchi_pizza
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:40 am Post subject: Re: Deportation stories |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| chungbukdo wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
No worries.
Still, teaching private lessons illegally or for working without a visa is a valid reason to get deported. |
Not it isn't. That's legal positivism, also known as circular logic. |
Yeah ok, the law is wrong because you disagree with it.
I suggest you walk up to the Government and scream "Give me legal privates or give me death".
Carry on. |
That made me laugh! Dave's certainly need more humor and wit. It's stressful enough with all that's legally required and legally forbidden of foreign teachers these days. |
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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:45 am Post subject: |
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| I've met two Eastern Europeans here teaching illegally by pretending to be American and heard of a third and this was just in one town. It makes me wonder how many thousands of them might be here doing this and how many do get caught. |
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carpetdope
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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| I've met two Eastern Europeans here teaching illegally by pretending to be American and heard of a third and this was just in one town. It makes me wonder how many thousands of them might be here doing this and how many do get caught. |
I bet they blow chinks like crazy. [SFW] |
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allovertheplace
Joined: 02 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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The moral of this terribly long story is if you teach privates...dont tell girlfriends or boyfriends. I never minded telling good friends as most of them asked how I got them and if they could have one if I was sick or busy.
But yeah...lets be honest here. If you tell your korean girlfriend you are teaching illegally you kinda deserve whats coming to you. We all know ex's can be petty so limit the damage that can be done.
Granted, a law making it illegal to tutor your native language is stupid. Thus, it should be illegal for foreign dudes to hang out with co workers or date a korean girl.
You teach me englisee? No baby, sticking to the law. |
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chungbukdo
Joined: 22 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:28 pm Post subject: Re: Deportation stories |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Yeah ok, the law is wrong because you disagree with it.
I suggest you walk up to the Government and scream "Give me legal privates or give me death".
Carry on. |
The law is right because it's the law?
The law is wrong because it violates the rights of the people who wish to be educated and the people who wish to educate them. It's not wrong simply because I disagree (stawman). Koreans are smart people, they can decide if they want to hire a teacher for themselves without the government butting in and saying "I know better--you think you need a teacher but I'll stop that quick!"
I suggest you tell every victim of oppression that their torture was right because it was the law in their country. Legal positivism at its worst. Laws are not right simply because they exist and are on the books--people made those laws and those people can be wrong.
I do advocate for a free market in education, all the time. So thanks, I will carry on. In my personal dealings, in letters to papers, etc. Even this forum can be a small outlet where I can "carry on." |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:06 am Post subject: Re: Deportation stories |
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| chungbukdo wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Yeah ok, the law is wrong because you disagree with it.
I suggest you walk up to the Government and scream "Give me legal privates or give me death".
Carry on. |
The law is right because it's the law?
The law is wrong because it violates the rights of the people who wish to be educated and the people who wish to educate them. It's not wrong simply because I disagree (stawman). Koreans are smart people, they can decide if they want to hire a teacher for themselves without the government butting in and saying "I know better--you think you need a teacher but I'll stop that quick!"
I suggest you tell every victim of oppression that their torture was right because it was the law in their country. Legal positivism at its worst. Laws are not right simply because they exist and are on the books--people made those laws and those people can be wrong.
I do advocate for a free market in education, all the time. So thanks, I will carry on. In my personal dealings, in letters to papers, etc. Even this forum can be a small outlet where I can "carry on." |
You should do comedy. Really, you have talent for the absurd. Well done.
Either that or you have some issues upstairs. 
Comparing foreign teachers not being able to teach private lessons legally to victims of torture. WOW.
That would be shameful if it were not so pathetic. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:23 pm Post subject: Re: Deportation stories |
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| chungbukdo wrote: |
| The law is wrong because it violates the rights of the people who wish to be educated and the people who wish to educate them. |
It's quite the stretch comparing human rights to private teaching. Some of the people on this board are just to funny...
Anyways if you get caught for private tutoring, don't expect Amnesty International to come rushing to help you. |
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Nuggets
Joined: 23 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:59 pm Post subject: Re: Deportation stories |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| chungbukdo wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
No worries.
Still, teaching private lessons illegally or for working without a visa is a valid reason to get deported. |
Not it isn't. That's legal positivism, also known as circular logic. |
Yeah ok, the law is wrong because you disagree with it.
I suggest you walk up to the Government and scream "Give me legal privates or give me death".
Carry on. |
Funny, I can't believe this thread is still going. |
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Drew10
Joined: 31 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: Deportation stories |
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| chungbukdo wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Yeah ok, the law is wrong because you disagree with it.
I suggest you walk up to the Government and scream "Give me legal privates or give me death".
Carry on. |
The law is right because it's the law?
The law is wrong because it violates the rights of the people who wish to be educated and the people who wish to educate them. It's not wrong simply because I disagree (stawman). Koreans are smart people, they can decide if they want to hire a teacher for themselves without the government butting in and saying "I know better--you think you need a teacher but I'll stop that quick!"
I suggest you tell every victim of oppression that their torture was right because it was the law in their country. Legal positivism at its worst. Laws are not right simply because they exist and are on the books--people made those laws and those people can be wrong.
I do advocate for a free market in education, all the time. So thanks, I will carry on. In my personal dealings, in letters to papers, etc. Even this forum can be a small outlet where I can "carry on." |
So using the bolded part's logic, the K-government should also do away with the degree requirement as well right?
Then you would have a market flooded with high school grads dropping wages and taking away the ability for someone with a liberal arts degree to pretend they are an educator while drowning themselves in soju. |
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Skyblue
Joined: 02 Mar 2007
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It must be easy to get away with teaching illegally though. Even covering your tracks financially is pretty simple. Live off your extra income, and claim that your expenses were a lot lower than they were, and if need be fly out on your thrice yearly vacation with money to play with or deposit in a foreign bank account.
With that said, I still stand by my principled decision to stay firmly on the right side of the law while living as a humble and grateful guest in this country. |
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Nuggets
Joined: 23 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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Well, how does one go about getting caught teaching privates?
I mean, does there have to be money on the scene?
What if I go out with one of my coteachers who doesn't have the best English, to dinner?
It'd be a semi-English lesson infused conversation. People can get the wrong idea, would that be enough to constitute being fined and deported? |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:05 am Post subject: |
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| Nuggets wrote: |
Well, how does one go about getting caught teaching privates? I mean, does there have to be money on the scene?
What if I go out with one of my coteachers who doesn't have the best English, to dinner?
It'd be a semi-English lesson infused conversation. People can get the wrong idea, would that be enough to constitute being fined and deported? |
Typically someone informs the authorities that they think a foreign teacher is teaching private lessons in their area/building.
An investigation ensues and typically a list of clients is compiled through this investigation. When the clients are faced with a heavy fine they will name the teacher they hire and the amount he gets paid.
The money trail can be followed as well depending on how the foreign teacher manages his illegal income.
This does not happen all the time but I does happen.
Just be sure that when you decide to teach private lessons, you know the risks and consequences. If you do get busted, no one will be there to help you and it will be a fine and potentially deportation.
Basic rule of living abroad for any expat: know the laws of the country you live in and abide by them because breaking these laws and getting arrested means you are on your own. Your government will not and cannot do a thing for you, nor should they.
If you disagree strongly with a law, move somewhere else where such a law does not exists.
Pretty darn simple. |
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littlelisa
Joined: 12 Jun 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:24 am Post subject: Re: Deportation stories |
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| chungbukdo wrote: |
| The law is wrong because it violates the rights of the people who wish to be educated and the people who wish to educate them. |
Hahaha! Since when is that a right?
It does not violate anybody's rights. Someone who wants to have a private lesson can find someone giving one legally. Someone who wants one from a foreigner can also find someone giving one legally.
You have no rights violated by being refused the possibility of teaching privates legally. If you want to teach privates, either go somewhere where you can teach them legally, or find a way to teach them legally yourself (getting an F series visa, which you can do with points rather than only by marriage now, for example). Petition for change, but whining and complaining that a law is wrong because it infringes on your right to teach privates is not going to get you anywhere.
If the government decides that you need to be named Joe and have blue hair to teach privates legally, that is their prerogative. It's not a matter of rights. And whether a law is right or wrong, if you don't follow it, you may face the consequences of breaking it. |
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