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Public School: Complained I'm not "Social" Enough
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winterfall



Joined: 21 May 2009

PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:00 pm    Post subject: Public School: Complained I'm not "Social" Enough Reply with quote

I was in one of the main teacher's office and I recently got moved to a smaller office. I don't really care, it doesn't affect my work one bit. But my new office manager lectured me today for a good hr that "I'm not social enough and that needs to change"

I have no idea what the hell that means since I already do more than 90% of the FTs at public schools. Not only in lesson prep, building up the school's program but also going on all the teacher day stuff, dinners, class field trips, etc. The rate I do these things are maybe once a month or once every 2 months. Anything more than that is just torture, it's just too tiring to spend so much time with people who can't speak any English at all. I'm not giving up all my free time to hang out with them. And I'm not gonna let the quality of my lessons go down the drain cause I spent all my time with my coworkers around the water cooler

Well the reason for my post is that this is so bizarre, I have no idea how I should take this. If it was from just any teacher, yea whatever. But office managers are usually the mouth piece for the administration. Its even stranger because I have standing arrangement with the school to stay as long as I want. And with the SMOE budget cuts, we've already gotten notice that when I leave, the school won't get another FT. It's already been decided, I saw the notice in Korean. So the school is very keen on getting me to stay

But if this is what I think is, "You need to get more involved with the school" which translates into "Your workload just tripled"

Any thoughts?
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grandpa



Joined: 19 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Public School: Complained I'm not "Social" Eno Reply with quote

Maybe they're just seeing how much work they can get out of you before you say, "No", or go crazy.
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winterfall



Joined: 21 May 2009

PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Public School: Complained I'm not "Social" Eno Reply with quote

grandpa wrote:
Maybe they're just seeing how much work they can get out of you before you say, "No", or go crazy.


They already know what the boundaries are. If they keep pushing after I ignore them, I call the POE and they usually settle it. After awhile they just stopped bothering me. But this one is just different and weird
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Horangi Munshin



Joined: 06 Apr 2003
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably BS.

You are expected to go on school outings so I don't think just turning up earns you many brownie points. Maybe more water cooler time? Or refer to my first comment.
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winterfall



Joined: 21 May 2009

PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Horangi Munshin wrote:
Probably BS.

You are expected to go on school outings so I don't think just turning up earns you many brownie points. Maybe more water cooler time? Or refer to my first comment.


Not teacher trips, they're different from school outings. Usually on national holidays or the weekends. What first comment?
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Vagabundo



Joined: 26 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

haha, under those guidelines, I'd be one of the most anti "social" net's around.

but define "office manager".

is this person an actual teacher? a Dept head? of that dept office (that's how it'd be at my school). The only dept head that matters to you is yours, though of course it's better to keep a cordial, if distant relationship with the others.

the only manager of administration at my school is the guy who's in charge of the school admin staff (the ones who handle your paycheck, etc and do stuff around the school)

you need to find out who this guy is, and what is it that he wants. (exactly)

until you get those answers, just SNIP

if it were me, I'd have already asked him after his "lecture" what do you mean by that exactly? since I already fulfill all of my duties? (and well)

N.B. this may be a single guy with a singular particular view, which matters not a whit. You may also be in the position of being "penalized" for your ethnic background.
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Horangi Munshin



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First comment was it's probably BS.
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Radius



Joined: 20 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever....Just keep doing what your doing. It's impossible to please people sometimes.
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winterfall



Joined: 21 May 2009

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vagabundo wrote:
haha, under those guidelines, I'd be one of the most anti "social" net's around.

but define "office manager".

is this person an actual teacher? a Dept head? of that dept office (that's how it'd be at my school). The only dept head that matters to you is yours, though of course it's better to keep a cordial, if distant relationship with the others.

the only manager of administration at my school is the guy who's in charge of the school admin staff (the ones who handle your paycheck, etc and do stuff around the school)

you need to find out who this guy is, and what is it that he wants. (exactly)

until you get those answers, just SNIP

if it were me, I'd have already asked him after his "lecture" what do you mean by that exactly? since I already fulfill all of my duties? (and well)

N.B. this may be a single guy with a singular particular view, which matters not a whit. You may also be in the position of being "penalized" for your ethnic background.


This guy in particular is an auto body repair teacher. (For other people, It's a tech school) and this is his first time as a office manager. The office manager is usually in his 50s and has the biggest desk in the office or the most space in the corner. I don't know exactly what they do, they're definitely not department heads and subject area doesn't seem to matter. They just manage rooms with teachers. My dept head ironically sits right behind me. As far as I can figure a office manager and dept head are almost the same rank. I remember hearing my old office manager complaining all the time that he couldn't order my dept head around to fill in paperwork even though there's a 20 yr age gap

The main office, school's administrators doesn't really care what I do. They know me and they just let me be. Or at least I thought until this guy started spewing his crap. Usually if something major happens my dept head runs interference until he can have a sit down with me and we plot a way through the minefield. Or my dept head will openly tell me that hes making a 'Show' that he cares what they have to say and he'll just tell me to pretend that I yelled at him. Afterwards, he always buys me dinner. But my dept head's been on vacation since about 2 weeks ago. Hes coming back the day the new semester starts.

Well I did ask for some clarification from my new office manager after the lecture but I didn't get anything new. He started going Zen Haiku on me and I had no idea what the hell he was talking about. Almost all the teachers at this school do that and its my number 1 reason why avoiding them is the best policy. Talking to them is so draining. Its a mix of: charades, 20 questions, and playing tetris with one hand and fiddling with a rubix cube with the other every second of every day. Its only SLIGHTLY better than teaching a full load of my tech kids
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is he a drinker?


That's probably what he's talking about.


If it were me I'd say yes sir, and then go on as you are.


If he brings it up again, ask him what he means by social. Until he can explain what he means exactly there's not much you can do anyway.
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:05 am    Post subject: Re: Public School: Complained I'm not "Social" Eno Reply with quote

winterfall wrote:
I have no idea what the hell that means


Cmon...you can't be that unaware as to the politics of your workplace.

It sounds like your new manager is simply stamping his/her authority by way of marking their territory. I wouldn't take it too seriously. just S.n.i.p.
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Vagabundo



Joined: 26 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

this guy sounds like he has no real power, most certainly not over you.

talk to your dept head when he comes back.

I'm in the main teacher office, so the vp is always numero uno cuz he's there. . though there is another guy.. we call him "Third". He's not a dept head, but we know he's third in rank after p and vp, hence the nickname.

he may be this office manager you refer to, but I think his purview is more than just that particular office.
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ThingsComeAround



Joined: 07 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you know Korean?

I'd use the little Korean known (or try not to show too much) and make small talk. Say hello in the mornings, goodbye in the afternoon, and that's it.

Or he wants to drink with you

Or he has a management problem (like 80% of K-managers have)
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Artris



Joined: 09 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember when I first started working at a PS I used to walk in and out without saying hello/goodbye each day. About 3-4 days in a co-teacher ran out after me and explained that I should say greet everyone when I leave/enter each day.

I got the impression that it is very rude to do otherwise. Maybe, if you're not already doing this, it could help.
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NYC_Gal 2.0



Joined: 10 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely greet everyone with a smile. It doesn't hurt to buy a bag of oranges of other snacky things for the teachers' lounge and the admin office every once in a while. I've recently taken up baking my own bread (I haven't in years, and used to use a breadmaker, so this is a fun new hobby) so bring in treats for my coworkers rather often. This week I brought in "Mexican calzones" (homemade refried beans and cheese inside a whole wheat bread pocket.
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