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Kaypea



Joined: 09 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From lurking on the ME forums, I'd say go for it: you have a husband (male companionship Wink ) and the qualifications. I think it would be interesting and a good payday.

As a single woman who's very fond of outdoor activities, I don't think I'd get much out of the ME. I'm not very patient with religious fundamentalism, either.
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cyui



Joined: 10 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IDK man..anyways; Iam American so there is not such an optiion..

Maybe it's called a whv?!
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Sergio Stefanuto



Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK

PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyui wrote:
IDK just figured they would ask for UK before other nationalities for EU Visa.


What possessed you to assume that?

Quote:
Would this be a wrong assumption?


Of course.
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cyui



Joined: 10 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The earlier refrences from teeleads ( 1st page)
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Radius



Joined: 20 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard you MUST have at least a Master's degree to teach in the ME, is this correct?
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Sergio Stefanuto



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ No
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Radius



Joined: 20 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sergio Stefanuto wrote:
^ No

Thanks
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The pay is higher.

The requirements are also higher.

It can be a good job but some ME countries put their foreigh teachers under strict limitations when it comes to moving within the country, activities, drinking and so on.

It is a good professional prospect. However, going there because of the uprisings thinking jobs will be there for the picking is an odd strategy. While what happened in Egypt was largely peaceful, they still evacuated expats from many countries. Uprisings in other areas could be less peaceful and you are not invulnerable because you are a caucasian westerner!
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olsanairbase



Joined: 30 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Konglishman wrote:
Sometimes, I think that Qatar would be an interesting place to work. On a per capita basis, it is the second richest country in the world. And unlike some of the other countries in the middle east, it has a government which is already at work on turning itself into democracy. This was the king's idea actually. In fact, the king gives most of the funding to Al Jazeera (which has gone out of its way to give extensive news coverage in support of the protests in Tunisia, Egypt and elsewhere).

Further, the king's second wife (I think he has two wives... maybe more) has been very instrumental in promoting women's rights and education. Finally, for any Americans reading this, after Katrina came and devastated the gulf coast, the king gave a lot of money to New Orleans residents to have their homes rebuilt.

Of course, like any other country, Qatar does have its dark side. There are sponsorship laws there along with other difficulties that make life less pleasant for foreign workers. However, I understand that for more professional jobs such as university positions, this is much less of an issue.


UAE is much more modernized than Qatar. There actually very few teaching jobs in Qatar. UAE and KSA are where most of the jobs are. If you want to go off the beaten path then Oman would be a better pick than Qatar. Overall, the UAE is the best.

Radius wrote:
My God, with all of the uprisings going on in several countries over there now, why would you ever consider the Middle East? And you're a woman? Don't be mad at me, I know you're an adult, I'm just looking out for ya.


Yet you have no problem living next to the most militarized zone in the world?
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redaxe



Joined: 01 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Konglishman wrote:

Further, the king's second wife (I think he has two wives... maybe more) has been very instrumental in promoting women's rights and education.


It seems the irony in Qatar is also very rich.
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fromtheuk



Joined: 31 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did over 2 years in South Korea. I am now in my 2nd year in Saudi Arabia.

I teach at a university in Riyadh. The pay is very good and you can save far more than in Korea.

But if the western lifestyle i.e. partying, drinking alcohol is something you cannot live without, and you cannot accept living under a different set of laws to what you believe in, Saudi Arabia wouldn't be a good choice for you.

The standard of living here is high and inexpensive. I've seen no hint of strife coming to Saudi. Each Middle Eastern country is not exactly the same.

Generally, my students tend to show greater interest in native teachers (especially caucasians).

As with Korea, there is also xenophobia here. Overall, life is quite good.

If you have a Masters you'll get better pay. I'm thinking about doing one, face to face for 1 year. I don't know if they accept online degrees, but if you have a Masters they'll accept, you can apply direct to universities and get better benefits.

I work for a company that employs teachers for the university.

It's also relevant to mention you'd need to do some research on whichever country you choose. To go somewhere, clueless about its culture could lead to problems. So, make sure you know the dos and don'ts of the country. Also, don't show open disrespect, attempt to impose your ideas or walk around like you own the place. Laughing

I was watching msnbc yesterday and they had a discussion about the Middle East. Pat Buchanan asked an invited expert questions, but demonstrated a decent knowledge of history.

He said Muslims basically ruled the world for 1000 years and had one of the world's best civilizations. He then went on to say they began to stagnate around the 17th century, he asked the expert to discuss why that was. So, you should know some history of where you'll go, to at least appreciate what these people have done, well before American/post-industrialized western civilization for example, was even conceived of.

Comments on this thread for example, which allude to having a second wife being contrary to womens rights, is an example of the western mindset. But if you say such things in the Middle East, that would be disrespectful and insulting. In summary, try to be diplomatic and tactful, as opposed to being a loud, stupid, fool. In Islam, it is allowed for a man to have up to 4 wives. If you said negative things about that, it would be an insult, and not seen as a bit of a laugh.

Pay Buchanan mentioned how women only got the vote in the 20th century in many western countries, which Islam gave to women over 1400 years ago.

As a married person, you'd also be close to an ideal candidate for the Middle East. They prefer that.

Lastly, be aware the students in Saudi don't want to learn. If you can stomach being a glorified babysitter, then you'll do well here. If you even try to discipline them, you'll be the one to blame. Also don't discuss politics or religion, just stick with English.

In class, you need to have no self-respect at all. The development of this skill is ongoing. Laughing


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Radius



Joined: 20 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fromtheuk wrote:
I did over 2 years in South Korea. I am now in my 2nd year in Saudi Arabia.

I teach at a university in Riyadh. The pay is very good and you can save far more than in Korea.

But if the western lifestyle i.e. partying, drinking alcohol is something you cannot live without, and you cannot accept living under a different set of laws to what you believe in, Saudi Arabia wouldn't be a good choice for you.

The standard of living here is high and inexpensive. I've seen no hint of strife coming to Saudi. Each Middle Eastern country is not exactly the same.

Generally, my students tend to show greater interest in native teachers (especially caucasians).

As with Korea, there is also xenophobia here. Overall, life is quite good.

Lastly, be aware the students in Saudi don't want to learn. If you can stomach being a glorified babysitter, then you'll do well here. If you even try to discipline them, you'll be the one to blame.

In class, you need to have no self-respect at all. The development of this skill is ongoing. Laughing

how much ya get paid?
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fromtheuk



Joined: 31 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be exact, $2870 a month. I have 30 days paid vacation in my contract. If I had a Masters, I'd get 2 months paid vacation as a direct hire. Even if I stayed with my company, I'd get more money with a Masters.

I'm thinking about doing a Masters. It's a bit expensive, but worth it in the long run. I've also heard an MA in TESOL is pretty easy, many non-native speakers also manage to pass the course.
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Radius



Joined: 20 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fromtheuk wrote:
To be exact, $2870 a month. I have 30 days paid vacation in my contract. If I had a Masters, I'd get 2 months paid vacation as a direct hire. Even if I stayed with my company, I'd get more money with a Masters.

I'm thinking about doing a Masters. It's a bit expensive, but worth it in the long run. I've also heard an MA in TESOL is pretty easy, many non-native speakers also manage to pass the course.

american dollars?
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fromtheuk



Joined: 31 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. You get housing allowance and transport allowance on top of that. All tax free and the cost of living is very cheap.
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