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philip.randall
Joined: 09 Feb 2011
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 Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:14 pm Post subject: Chance background check law will change? |
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I am 30 years old and have an MA in Tesol and an undergrad in English and Spanish. I taught for 2.5 years in Korea right before the whole FBI background check deal came into play. I made a mistake 10 years ago but didn't goto jail, didn't have probation and haven't had so much as a parking ticket since. I know the current outlook is poor but I was wondering what people think the chances the law will change are?
Thanks for your time,
Phil |
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Radius
Joined: 20 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Change as in they will do away with it? Never. Change as in they will start to let those in with a criminal history? Maybe. They might down the line IF the number of teachers greatly decline and they need more warm bodies to fill the classrooms. If I were you, I'd look into China and not look back into teaching in Korea again. |
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Zackback
Joined: 05 Nov 2010
Location: Kyungbuk
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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Look for a change of the law when/if the economy changes.
Money talks and money makes things happen that otherwise would never happen. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: Chance background check law will change? |
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| philip.randall wrote: |
I am 30 years old and have an MA in Tesol and an undergrad in English and Spanish. I taught for 2.5 years in Korea right before the whole FBI background check deal came into play. I made a mistake 10 years ago but didn't goto jail, didn't have probation and haven't had so much as a parking ticket since. I know the current outlook is poor but I was wondering what people think the chances the law will change are?
Thanks for your time,
Phil |
E1 via and University position = non-issue (check not required).
E2 as an English teacher = pick another country.
With your qualifications and experience you should EASILY be able to find a decent position in china with a base salary in the RMB 10k range (or more) AND a benefit package that includes housing, airfare (maybe not necessarily prepaid), decent vacation time and end of contract bonus.
You may also want to consider places like Vietnam or Thailand but hold out for a decent package and don't grab the 1st 30k baht thing that comes along.
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oldtrafford
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| The Middle East is another option. |
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tgrear2008
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:06 am Post subject: |
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| WOAH WOAH There! You mean to teach English at a University, I don't need a background check? |
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ttompatz
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:19 am Post subject: |
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| tgrear2008 wrote: |
| WOAH WOAH There! You mean to teach English at a University, I don't need a background check? |
IF you qualify for an E1 - visiting professor (related masters/Ph.D) and/or significant related (tertiary) experience OR
an E7 (specialist)
then NO, you don't have the same hoops as an E2 (teacher of foreign languages) candidate.
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rockymtn
Joined: 01 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:41 am Post subject: |
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| Background checks are common when you are working with children. Adults are better able to slap/punch you if you try anything with them. |
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philip.randall
Joined: 09 Feb 2011
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:15 am Post subject: |
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| Obviously that makes sense in regards to people involved in crimes against children. Driving with intoxicated is wrong and I don't condone what I and others have done I fail to see what a 10 year old crime(with nothing after) has anything to do with teaching children. I am all for Koreans and other countries residents for that matter trying to keep child predators away but prohibiting minor misdemeanors from a decade ago is confusing. |
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RobertGR
Joined: 03 Jun 2009
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 2:55 am Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| tgrear2008 wrote: |
| WOAH WOAH There! You mean to teach English at a University, I don't need a background check? |
IF you qualify for an E1 - visiting professor (related masters/Ph.D) and/or significant related (tertiary) experience OR
an E7 (specialist)
then NO, you don't have the same hoops as an E2 (teacher of foreign languages) candidate.
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My university required a background check (sent to them). |
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bnrockin
Joined: 27 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:48 am Post subject: Re: Chance background check law will change? |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
With your qualifications and experience you should EASILY be able to find a decent position in china with a base salary in the RMB 10k range (or more) AND a benefit package that includes housing, airfare (maybe not necessarily prepaid), decent vacation time and end of contract bonus.
You may also want to consider places like Vietnam or Thailand but hold out for a decent package and don't grab the 1st 30k baht thing that comes along.
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If I can expand on this a bit...
There is definitely money to be had in China if you can find the good positions, which isn't always easy. I was looking in China for a while and the biggest obstacle for me was not being physically IN China. A lot of the job posting websites I saw were quite lacking in terms of quality comparable to daves, worknplay, etc. Many have old and outdated positions. Anyway, that might be something you want to consider. China is much more open to "cold calling" than Korea. That being said, you will want to bring plenty of documentation showing who you are and your experiences there. If you do have connections, they can help.
Thailand...I have done a ton of research on that market having lived there for a year myself. Thailand is a bit different in that tourism is what attracts the teachers more than promises of wealth. Because of this, there are plenty of tourists who come, fall in love with the country, and never leave. You have many overqualified and diverse individuals filling teaching jobs and once again, they are already in country. Another big issue with Thailand these days is that as the value of the currency and cost of life increase, the salaries are not commiserate. While it is easy and cheap to live in Thailand, I am starting to see foreign teachers really lowering their standards. Aside from international schools (and there are plenty of them), you will be hard pressed to find many other teaching jobs with high salaries, including uni jobs. Finally, there is just not a plethora of jobs like there are in Korea.
Wow...that was longer than I had planned. I have just done quite a bit of research concerning teaching in those countries. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:26 am Post subject: |
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| RobertGR wrote: |
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| tgrear2008 wrote: |
| WOAH WOAH There! You mean to teach English at a University, I don't need a background check? |
IF you qualify for an E1 - visiting professor (related masters/Ph.D) and/or significant related (tertiary) experience OR
an E7 (specialist)
then NO, you don't have the same hoops as an E2 (teacher of foreign languages) candidate.
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My university required a background check (sent to them). |
What visa class? E2 = required for immigration.
E1 = if you were asked then it was only an employer requirement and NOT an immigration one.
E7 = not an immigration requirement either.
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RobertGR
Joined: 03 Jun 2009
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| RobertGR wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
| tgrear2008 wrote: |
| WOAH WOAH There! You mean to teach English at a University, I don't need a background check? |
IF you qualify for an E1 - visiting professor (related masters/Ph.D) and/or significant related (tertiary) experience OR
an E7 (specialist)
then NO, you don't have the same hoops as an E2 (teacher of foreign languages) candidate.
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My university required a background check (sent to them). |
What visa class? E2 = required for immigration.
E1 = if you were asked then it was only an employer requirement and NOT an immigration one.
E7 = not an immigration requirement either.
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E1. As I said the university wanted it sent to them. So, for the OP, you may not be off the hook even working at a uni. |
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bnrockin
Joined: 27 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: Chance background check law will change? |
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| philip.randall wrote: |
but I was wondering what people think the chances the law will change are?
Phil |
Thinking about it some more, I don't think the law will change. In Korean culture, when people come up with an idea, they usually stick to it even if it is a bad one. If they change it, they will lose face or make someone else lose face. This is something that I've read about and seen firsthand with my own managers.
As Radius said, if they are hurting enough for teachers, they might make some exemptions to some petty crimes, but do away with it? Most likely no. |
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