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Apostille Degree - Difficulty or confusion

 
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davemon



Joined: 16 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:29 pm    Post subject: Apostille Degree - Difficulty or confusion Reply with quote

So, I have a degree from Pennsylvania.

On the PA website it says "degrees must be notarized prior to being certified/apostilled."

What am I supposed to get notarized?


I called the PA Dept responsible for these things about 8-10 times. Nobody answers. Just sit on hold for 10-20 minutes then disconnected. I can drive out there, but it is 5-6 hours away from my university, so I'll be doing a about 24 hours of driving to get answers if I need to drive out there just to get info, then drive back to my university, then drive back, then drive home.
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MyNameIsNobody



Joined: 12 Jan 2011
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:22 pm    Post subject: Apostille Degree - Difficulty or confusion Reply with quote

Did you call the Secretary of State Office in the state in which you are currently residing to see if they are willing to affix an apostille to a copy of your diploma? Some states will, others won't.

Also, maybe you should try emailing the SOS in Pennsylvania if they won't take your calls.

To answer your question, you need to photocopy your diploma and then have the copy notarized. Your school doesn't necessarily have to notarize the copy (why don't you call your campus Registrar and ask if any notary public in Pennsylvania will do?). Make sure you bring the original with you so that the notary can compare it to the copy. The notary had me write "I attest that this is a true copy" and then sign it. Essentially the notary is notarizing the signature, not so much the copy (you could probably have a notary notarize a game of Tic-Tac-Toe if you wanted--not that you should). After that, an apostille can be attached to the notarized copy. All the apostille really does is say that the notary is in fact a notary.

I live in New Jersey, and I had to make a trip to Massachusetts to get my diploma notarized and then have an apostille attached. Actually, I had to go twice, because the SOS office screwed up the first time and gave me a certification instead of an apostille. I didn't catch the mistake until I was on the bus back. Make sure you double check everything you receive. The second time I had the notarization done, the notary public didn't really know what she was doing, and I had to explain what I wanted from her. She also didn't check my original.

So yeah, double check/ask questions, because you don't want to have to make a second trip. Especially a second 24-hour drive.

Best of luck.
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ttompatz



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Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Apostille Degree - Difficulty or confusion Reply with quote

davemon wrote:
So, I have a degree from Pennsylvania.

On the PA website it says "degrees must be notarized prior to being certified/apostilled."

What am I supposed to get notarized?


I called the PA Dept responsible for these things about 8-10 times. Nobody answers. Just sit on hold for 10-20 minutes then disconnected. I can drive out there, but it is 5-6 hours away from my university, so I'll be doing a about 24 hours of driving to get answers if I need to drive out there just to get info, then drive back to my university, then drive back, then drive home.


Make a photocopy of your degree. Have that notarized as a true copy of the original.

Then follow the requirements of the Secretary of State for YOUR STATE to get the apostille (50 states and 50 different sets of rules and procedures).

Do NOT get the apostille on your original degree; get it on the COPY.

IF you do get it on your original and you send it you may lose it when it gets to K-immigration (they will keep it and NOT return it - which is why they insist on a copy of your degree with an apostille).

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davemon



Joined: 16 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Emailed, but awaiting a reply. The state I live in wont apostille out-of-state degrees.

The PA website says that they cannot apostille or certify notarized copies. So this was confusing and sounded like I had to get a representative of the university to sign in front of a notary.

I will just keep calling first thing in the am. Maybe collect 5-6 cell phones and just keep them all in the queue if I have to.
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MyNameIsNobody



Joined: 12 Jan 2011
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:01 pm    Post subject: Apostille Degree - Difficulty or confusion Reply with quote

I have way too much time on my hands, so I checked out the Pennsylvania SOS website for apostilles (tis what happens when you quit your job Wink).

Let's make sure we're looking at the same thing:
http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/06_5_authentication_of_a_notarized_document/12630/how_do_i_obtain_an_apostille_or_certification_/572569

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Certifications, Apostilles, and the Authentication of Documents
How Do I Obtain an Apostille or Certification?

1. Your documents must be signed by and contain the seal of the Pennsylvania official who is the custodian of the record or a Pennsylvania notary public. NOTE: Diplomas, transcripts and criminal record checks must be notarized prior to requesting an apostille or certification. Birth certificates do not need to be and should not be notarized.

2. Mail your documents to the Department of State along with a cover letter that includes your name and full mailing address or you may use our Request for Legalization of Documents form.

3. Identify in the cover letter the country where the documents will be used.

4. Enclose a personal check, money order or cashier's check made payable to "Commonwealth of Pennsylvania" in the amount of $15 per document. Checks and money orders must be issued by a U.S. institution or, if issued by a foreign bank, must be in U.S. dollars and contain a routing number. Cash cannot be accepted by mail.

5. Photocopies of notarized or certified documents may not be certified by the Secretary of the Commonwealth.

6. Enclose a self-addressed, stamped envelope for return of your documents. If you wish the order to be returned by a courier service, you must enclose a prepaid air bill with your order. NOTE: If requesting your documents to be returned via UPS (United Parcel Service), please list yourself as the sender and recipient on the air bill that you will be providing. Otherwise, the air bill will be changed accordingly.

7. Mail your request to:

Pennsylvania Department of State

Bureau of Commissions, Elections and Legislation

Room 210 North Office Building

Harrisburg, PA 17120-0029

8. Processing time for mail-in requests is typically less than five (5) business days. Processing time does not include mailing time.

9. Walk-in requests are accepted from 8:30AM to 4:00PM, Monday through Friday (except State holidays). Walk-in requests are processed while the requestor waits. If using a GPS device for driving directions, please use 401 North Street for the street address.

10. Questions concerning apostilles or certifications may be directed to the Pennsylvania Department of State, Bureau of Commissions, Elections and Legislation by calling (717) 787-5280, by email: [email protected] or by writing to the address listed above.

You may contact the U.S. Department of State concerning the legalization of documents at www.travel.state.gov.

11. Effective October 1, 2009, the Department no longer accepts FedEx or DHL for return shipment of documents.


I'm going to assume you're taking issue with items 1 and 5 in the section that I quote above (let me know if I'm wrong). You still have to have your document notarized before you can obtain the apostille. Item 5 just means that the document cannot be a photocopy of a notarized document, not a photocopy that has been notarized. Does that make sense? The language is somewhat funny. In other words, if you make a photocopy of your diploma and have that notarized, then you have an original notarization. With that original notarization, you should be able to get an apostille affixed. However, if you photocopied your diploma, had it notarized, and then photocopied the notarized version to give to the SOS for an apostille, you would be denied. More simply, the notarization must be an original, not a copy of a notarization.

At least, that is the way I am interpreting the Pennsylvania SOS rules. I'm still encouraging you to follow through with the email to the SOS and your school Registrar. You're Registrar may be familiar with the apostille process and possibly offer sounder advice than mine.

Best of luck.
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davemon



Joined: 16 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep. That's exactly what threw me off, 1 & 5. Seemed to be at odds. I have my email out there and will keep calling the State in the am. My ugrad is small, I have called them 3x and left 1 msg. Ha.

I am here in PA only a few days to get this sorted so I will have to do the notarized copy of the degree if I don't get a definite response from either soon.

Thanks for the comments though. Much appreciated. Wouldn't mind the drive too much if I had my nice car here Smile but having to mooch my parents' old spare car.... oh well.
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davemon



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got a response. All PA wants is a notarized copy to apostille.

Also my university said it takes "several months" to get a replacement degree and couldn't provide any timeline on when I'd get another, so my original will be staying with me.
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