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mises
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http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/255320/two-californias-victor-davis-hanson?page=2
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California coastal elites may worry about the oxygen content of water available to a three-inch smelt in the Sacramento�San Joaquin River Delta, but they seem to have no interest in the epidemic dumping of trash, furniture, and often toxic substances throughout California�s rural hinterland. Yesterday, for example, I rode my bike by a stopped van just as the occupants tossed seven plastic bags of raw refuse onto the side of the road. I rode up near their bumper and said in my broken Spanish not to throw garbage onto the public road. But there were three of them, and one of me. So I was lucky to be sworn at only. I note in passing that I would not drive into Mexico and, as a guest, dare to pull over and throw seven bags of trash into the environment of my host.
In fact, trash piles are commonplace out here � composed of everything from half-empty paint cans and children�s plastic toys to diapers and moldy food. I have never seen a rural sheriff cite a litterer, or witnessed state EPA workers cleaning up these unauthorized wastelands. So I would suggest to Bay Area scientists that the environment is taking a much harder beating down here in central California than it is in the Delta. Perhaps before we cut off more irrigation water to the west side of the valley, we might invest some green dollars into cleaning up the unsightly and sometimes dangerous garbage that now litters the outskirts of our rural communities.
We hear about the tough small-business regulations that have driven residents out of the state, at the rate of 2,000 to 3,000 a week. But from my unscientific observations these past weeks, it seems rather easy to open a small business in California without any oversight at all, or at least what I might call a �counter business.� I counted eleven mobile hot-kitchen trucks that simply park by the side of the road, spread about some plastic chairs, pull down a tarp canopy, and, presto, become mini-restaurants. There are no �facilities� such as toilets or washrooms. But I do frequently see lard trails on the isolated roads I bike on, where trucks apparently have simply opened their draining tanks and sped on, leaving a slick of cooking fats and oils. Crows and ground squirrels love them; they can be seen from a distance mysteriously occupied in the middle of the road.
At crossroads, peddlers in a counter-California economy sell almost anything. Here is what I noticed at an intersection on the west side last week: shovels, rakes, hoes, gas pumps, lawnmowers, edgers, blowers, jackets, gloves, and caps. The merchandise was all new. I doubt whether in high-tax California sales taxes or income taxes were paid on any of these stop-and-go transactions. |
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caniff
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Space Bar
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Detectives made secret recordings of the gang's plot to attack Mr Smith prior to the brutal assault. |
So these cops knew about the plans, but did not prevent the attack from happening?  |
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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:25 am Post subject: |
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Detectives made secret recordings of the gang's plot to attack Mr Smith prior to the brutal assault. |
So these cops knew about the plans, but did not prevent the attack from happening? |
If they had tried to do anything they would probably have been accused of racial profiling. |
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Space Bar
Joined: 20 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:51 am Post subject: Re: At long Last, the beginning of the end of multiculturali |
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| David Camerson's recent speech heralds the beginning of the end of multiculturalism in Britain. |
But is it just beginning in America?
Welcome to Islamberg, NY! |
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Mariella713
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Try reversing the roles. Pakistan welcoming 3 million white christians. Spread the positive message to Bangladesh, Nigeria, Democratic Rebublic of Congo, Vietnam, India, China, Somaila, Yemen. WOHOO! Transform these countries in the same way they have done in Britain. I bet it would go down a treat, huh? 
Tony Blair admitted multiculturalism doesn't work, now David Cameron is is showing his vile little face and admitting it too. But low and behold, British leaders will still keep advocating it for eternity. How does one resolve conflicts while taking everyone into account? It cannot happen unless there is a mainstream culture. People who migrate to any country should adopt the local language, customs and culture, as well as respecting their host country. Britain sparkling. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:14 am Post subject: |
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| Mariella713 wrote: |
Try reversing the roles. Pakistan welcoming 3 million white christians. Spread the positive message to Bangladesh, Nigeria, Democratic Rebublic of Congo, Vietnam, India, China, Somaila, Yemen. WOHOO! Transform these countries in the same way they have done in Britain. I bet it would go down a treat, huh?
Tony Blair admitted multiculturalism doesn't work, now David Cameron is is showing his vile little face and admitting it too. But low and behold, British leaders will still keep advocating it for eternity. How does one resolve conflicts while taking everyone into account? It cannot happen unless there is a mainstream culture. People who migrate to any country should adopt the local language, customs and culture, as well as respecting their host country. Britain sparkling. |
the rub comes in this, because I think most of us feel that we shouldn't do this 100% when we come here or migrate anywhere else, but it is clear that everyone on this thread feels that immigrants should adapt to our country when they go there.
Such a double standard will be noticed and is noticed and is probably part of the reason for such things. I'm sure many of these Algerians or Pakistanis have encountered westerners in their home countries not assimilating and have felt equally perturbed. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:27 am Post subject: |
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the rub comes in this, because I think most of us feel that we shouldn't do this 100% when we come here or migrate anywhere else, but it is clear that everyone on this thread feels that immigrants should adapt to our country when they go there.
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The only adaptation I think immigrants should do to their welcoming country is to obey the law(which includes not lobbying to have laws changed so as to be more like the old country, though I admit there's not a lot we can do to stop that), and to have their children educated in the majority language.
Other than that, I don't care how immigrants dress, eat, worship, or whether or not they speak the majority tongue(unless they have a job requiring them to do so). And that's pretty much the same approach I take to the expat comunity in Korea. Eat at McDonalds five times a day, speak all the English you want, but when the judge hits you with a prison sentence for smoking weed, don't start pleading "But, but...back in Vancouver, I'd get let off with a warning!!" |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:00 am Post subject: |
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the rub comes in this, because I think most of us feel that we shouldn't do this 100% when we come here or migrate anywhere else, but it is clear that everyone on this thread feels that immigrants should adapt to our country when they go there.
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The only adaptation I think immigrants should do to their welcoming country is to obey the law(which includes not lobbying to have laws changed so as to be more like the old country, though I admit there's not a lot we can do to stop that), and to have their children educated in the majority language.
Other than that, I don't care how immigrants dress, eat, worship, or whether or not they speak the majority tongue(unless they have a job requiring them to do so). And that's pretty much the same approach I take to the expat comunity in Korea. Eat at McDonalds five times a day, speak all the English you want, but when the judge hits you with a prison sentence for smoking weed, don't start pleading "But, but...back in Vancouver, I'd get let off with a warning!!" |
I think immigrants have a duty to learn the language; 2-3 hours of study a week is not an onerous request. I used to get annoyed at my American friends in China for (frequent) slacking on their language studies. |
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Kimchifart
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| The end of multiculturalism |
It is not the end.
It is not even the beginning of the end.
But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.
Why? cos multiculturalism is as old as humanity. |
You're misunderstanding multiculturalism. Ancient Rome had many cultures, but one thing they had in common was that they all had to tow the Roman line. That wouldn't be considered a multicultural society in the political sense of the word. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| The end of multiculturalism |
It is not the end.
It is not even the beginning of the end.
But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.
Good point
Why? cos multiculturalism is as old as humanity. |
You're misunderstanding multiculturalism. Ancient Rome had many cultures, but one thing they had in common was that they all had to tow the Roman line. That wouldn't be considered a multicultural society in the political sense of the word. |
^Good point (and it worked for them up until it finally didn't). |
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mises
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Did Rome have diversity courts? |
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caniff
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| ^If they did maybe they would have held out for a few more years. |
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mises
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| ^If they did maybe they would have held out for a few more years. |
Ah, if they had only established hiring preferences for the Visigoths and had diversity training.. |
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caniff
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| In an effort to bring the Vandals into the fold of the Empire, Valentinian III offered his daughter's hand in marriage to Genseric's son. |
You know when you have to start offering up the women as a form of appeasement things probably aren't going your way |
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