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Vagabundo
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| I'm in my 30's, but will start getting into my late 30's in a couple of more years. |
this kind of deductive reasoning shouldn't be wasted on a career in ESL.
Ever thought of a more challenging career path?  |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:05 am Post subject: |
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| In terms of another curiosity, are there any type of teaching or training jobs requiring or paying extra for Korean language knowledge? I've been trying to slowly beef up my Korean language ability. |
I've never heard of any teaching or training jobs in TEFL like this, apart from places wanting gypos/bilinguals. I've known westerners who got jobs in companies or universities teaching other subjects with a good knowledge of Korean |
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Riker
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I think with a good subject degree, the pedagogy and classroom management aspects can be learned on the job with a combination of self-study. And yes, I know that is controversial, but it is what I think.
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So you don't have a teaching qualification either but you think it's not necessary. Here's an idea. Why not actually do the qualification first before you decide how useful it is? Until then, how about just keeping an open mind? |
Your confusing "qualification" with "certification" again. A person who graduates with a BA in math, with a concentration in math (like me) has taken about twice as many math courses as an education major with a math track. I've seen the certification material and its BS filler / busy work.
Its no accident that every teachers union on the planet opposes competitive examinations for placement, yet somebody like me would have no problem with that at all. Extremely telling.
That is not to say I wont ever get certification out of absolute necessity, but I'm reluctant as I don't really like having to pay into a union, because that's all it is. |
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edwardcatflap
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| a BA in maths is not a teaching qualification. It's a maths qualification. In the UK you do a BA like everyone else then do an extra year of methodology and teaching practice in schools to get your teaching qualification (PGCE) so afterwards you're much better qualified to teach your subject than someone with just a BA. Don't know how it works in North America |
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Riker
Joined: 28 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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If your certification program works anything like the states, then you would become "certified" not more "qualified".
Most US teachers get an education degree with a certain concentration, unless they are doing elementary. Its a mix of education classes with their core curriculum + concentration area.
Each state has its own requirements for certification, and most allow alternative certification through cheaper programs.
My problem with certification is that it amounts to red tape and excess expense at absolutely no benefit to the student ( I would actually argue it harms education, and evidence would show I'm correct )
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| We say 'qualified teacher' . 'Certified' has connotations - as in 'certified nutter'. |
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Riker
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Ok fair enough. Colloquially speaking here, qualified can mean both having the ability/ education, whereas certified means some agency has given you an approval.
Certification here has become nothing more than a right to join teachers unions rather than suggesting skill or talent in teaching. |
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happiness
Joined: 04 Sep 2010
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| In terms of another curiosity, are there any type of teaching or training jobs requiring or paying extra for Korean language knowledge? I've been trying to slowly beef up my Korean language ability. |
basically all of my jobs ive gotten because of my korean abilities, i also have a decent resume, and alot of korean references..it doesnt hurt one bit.
but yes, i was looking for a new position, and I had a great intv, but of course, I wanted too much money (2.2-2.3) and pesky me, i asked about insurance...needless to say they didnt want me, they got someone who wouldnt know or complain too much....so i do think alot of times, they think it is ok just to have a young, but more importantly CHEAP person to do the job.
and now the market is flooded. I cant believe how many westerners are walking around the town nowadays... |
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olsanairbase
Joined: 30 Aug 2010
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seriously....
If you are over 40 and NEW to the ESL game (mid life career change for whatever reason) and have NO experience in the classroom then you ARE under the gun.
What can you do?
IF you like working with kids there are lots of things you can do.
Volunteer to work with kids at home and get LOTS of pics doing it.
A school will always take someone who is experienced and FUN for the kids (pedagogy has nothing to do with teaching in Korea). Help out at a scout camp. Spend some time at the Y helping kids - there are lots of ways and remember to include some in your application package.
IF you want to work in a university you need to get some experience and be IN KOREA at your expense for the first kick at the cat.
If you want to work with adults / university age students in an academy setting then be prepared for UGLY split shifts and perhaps include a demo lesson or link to one that you have uploaded to some place like youtube for your prospective employers to see.
It DOES make a world of difference if they can see that you are:
a) good and fun for the kids
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b) knowledgeable and able to deliver in a classroom setting (and still be "NOT boring") - all ages
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c) good for business in an academy setting (chalk 'n talk don't cut it).
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Why anyone who is over 40 would want to go into teaching is beyond me. Teaching is quickly becoming a turnstile job. Long gone are any remnants that it was a career to teach. Working at a university is completely different story. Most people who make career changes in their 40's look for careers that are not so energy demanding as is teaching where you are on your feet all day. Most people who stay teaching today beyond their 40's are doing so to max out the level of their final longevity pay not because they love teaching.
And the below is not deductive reasoning. Sorry Aristotle.
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| I'm in my 30's, but will start getting into my late 30's in a couple of more years. |
this kind of deductive reasoning shouldn't be wasted on a career in ESL.
Ever thought of a more challenging career path? |
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