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Kurtz



Joined: 05 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No no, you're right, Australia IS a racist county. Come walk through the streets of Sydney and Melbourne and you'll see Asians too scared to walk out of their own houses, houses that are surrounded by Australia's best schools which are full of Asian studnets....umm, well......well they ARE scared as they ARE in fact the minority in any major city....well, I'll get back to you one that one. The last Mayor of Melbourne was...oh, what was his name...John Smith?.....No, John So from Hong Kong, that's right, who apart from hardly being able to speak English held that position for 7 years, voted in by such racist Aussies. You'll see that of the next 100,000 immigrants that land on racist Australia 100% will be white...umm, well maybe there will be SOME Chinese, Koreans, Japanse, Vietnamese, Indians.....all obviously aware of the shocking racism that they will receive, who were in fact warned not to come by the already present multitude of Asians already present and doing rather well..........or, you can listen to a few Dave's posters waxing lyrical about "what they heard"........
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Completely anecdotal, but a Taiwanese-American friend of mine visited Sydney once, loved it, and two months later quit his job and moved to Australia, vowing to live the rest of his life there.

Sounds like a vote for Australia.
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

metalhead wrote:
I think that what a lot of people (cough cough Americans/Canadians) don't seem to get, is that although we *may* sound racist in the southern hemisphere (Sif Africa, New Zealand, Oz), it's not usually so. It's the way we talk, we rib each other all the time, and yeah, we use the 'bad' words when it comes to race or ethnicity a lot, it doesn't mean that we are being nasty, we're just not as hung up on those things as our North American brethren are.


But perhaps even native Australians of color aren't so happy with your racist ribbing? Honestly, the insults a white guy can throw at minorities are a hell of a lot more damaging than the insults a person of color can throw back.
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Skipperoo



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sydney and Melbourne are very cosmopolitan cities (particularly the latter), but venturing up north is like taking a slippy slide down the IQ bell-curve. I spent a few weeks in Cairns (what backpacker doesn't?) and the amount of racism bandied about completely casually by the locals was horrific.
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recessiontime



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I moved to Australia from Canada more than a year a go. Yes this place is racist but so is Canada the only difference is that it is more open while in Canada it's subtle and behind closed doors. There are a heck of a lot of rednecks here, as the culture of the bogans is quite popular even amongst teenagers who sport mullets. Sure, Australia has it's problems but I'll gladly live with those problems than the ones Canada has.

The new immigration policy in Australia is pretty ridiculous now and I think this will seriously curb the amount of non-whites coming here. I myself barely got a PR and the way I did it was by getting employer sponsorship which is not the conventional way it is usually done. All the Asian people I know have been devestated by the new immigration policies that have made it extremely difficult to come here.
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Kurtz



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

recessiontime wrote:
I moved to Australia from Canada more than a year a go. Yes this place is racist but so is Canada the only difference is that it is more open while in Canada it's subtle and behind closed doors. There are a heck of a lot of rednecks here, as the culture of the bogans is quite popular even amongst teenagers who sport mullets. Sure, Australia has it's problems but I'll gladly live with those problems than the ones Canada has.

The new immigration policy in Australia is pretty ridiculous now and I think this will seriously curb the amount of non-whites coming here. I myself barely got a PR and the way I did it was by getting employer sponsorship which is not the conventional way it is usually done. All the Asian people I know have been devestated by the new immigration policies that have made it extremely difficult to come here.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but the old system was taken advantage of big time by foreigners. Students from abroad would come and do courses like cookery and hairdressing, just so they could gain PR. My mate's girlfriend in Oz is Iranian, both she and her sister did courses they weren't interested in, just so they could get PR. In essence they took advantage of a legal loophole to get PR as have many others.

I think you'll find the big three preferred nations are the UK, India and China. It's a bit much to say non-whites are being discriminated against, the Govt. is setting the bar higher to bring in quality people with money and skills to help the country, not swathes of people armed with cookery and hairdressing qualifications wanting a piece of Australia as they think it offers them a better opportunity in life.
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blm



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I knew someone who was genuinely interested in doing a tooth making course but couldn't get in because it was full of fee paying students.

I was puzzled by this but he says tooth making is very popular because it can get you permanent residence. Poor guy was one of the few that actually wanted to do it as a profession.

Anyway they recently took it off the list that leads to permanent residence and the decline in interest was such that the local university no longer offers the course.
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recessiontime



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kurtz wrote:
recessiontime wrote:
I moved to Australia from Canada more than a year a go. Yes this place is racist but so is Canada the only difference is that it is more open while in Canada it's subtle and behind closed doors. There are a heck of a lot of rednecks here, as the culture of the bogans is quite popular even amongst teenagers who sport mullets. Sure, Australia has it's problems but I'll gladly live with those problems than the ones Canada has.

The new immigration policy in Australia is pretty ridiculous now and I think this will seriously curb the amount of non-whites coming here. I myself barely got a PR and the way I did it was by getting employer sponsorship which is not the conventional way it is usually done. All the Asian people I know have been devestated by the new immigration policies that have made it extremely difficult to come here.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but the old system was taken advantage of big time by foreigners. Students from abroad would come and do courses like cookery and hairdressing, just so they could gain PR. My mate's girlfriend in Oz is Iranian, both she and her sister did courses they weren't interested in, just so they could get PR. In essence they took advantage of a legal loophole to get PR as have many others.

I think you'll find the big three preferred nations are the UK, India and China. It's a bit much to say non-whites are being discriminated against, the Govt. is setting the bar higher to bring in quality people with money and skills to help the country, not swathes of people armed with cookery and hairdressing qualifications wanting a piece of Australia as they think it offers them a better opportunity in life.


You are absolutely right about the system being taken advantage of. People would just get PR so they can sit on centrelink/welfare for the rest of their lives. This loophole has closed down since July of 2010. This is a good change to keep Australia a sustainable country.

I would disagree with the sound byte you hear about only people with low skills being shut out. There are others with phd's and people like myself with degrees in pharmacy that have been shut out from getting PR due to the recent changes. It's not really about low skill or high skills, it's about demand. Only professions in demand will be welcomed to Australia. Now, this is good but the Australian government hasn't closed loopholes on asylum seekers and others that get in illegally. There is a lot more work to be done because at the moment Australia is closing the door on people that have lots to bring to the work force and instead letting in a bunch of illiterate illegals that don't even speak English and giving them welfare from your tax payer money.
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dyc



Joined: 16 Dec 2010
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

recessiontime wrote:
I moved to Australia from Canada more than a year a go. Yes this place is racist but so is Canada the only difference is that it is more open while in Canada it's subtle and behind closed doors. There are a heck of a lot of rednecks here, as the culture of the bogans is quite popular even amongst teenagers who sport mullets. Sure, Australia has it's problems but I'll gladly live with those problems than the ones Canada has.


Pretty much outside of major cities like Vancouver, Montreal, Toronto, etc Canada is a bunch of conservative rednecks, yes.

I'm not sure what you mean about Canada's racism being "behind closed doors," other than our whitewashing of our historical treatment of aboriginal people.
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recessiontime



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dyc wrote:
recessiontime wrote:
I moved to Australia from Canada more than a year a go. Yes this place is racist but so is Canada the only difference is that it is more open while in Canada it's subtle and behind closed doors. There are a heck of a lot of rednecks here, as the culture of the bogans is quite popular even amongst teenagers who sport mullets. Sure, Australia has it's problems but I'll gladly live with those problems than the ones Canada has.


Pretty much outside of major cities like Vancouver, Montreal, Toronto, etc Canada is a bunch of conservative rednecks, yes.

I'm not sure what you mean about Canada's racism being "behind closed doors," other than our whitewashing of our historical treatment of aboriginal people.


if you are a visable minority in Canada you can kiss your chances of gainful employment anywhere. Unless you are a girl. The economy in Ontario at least has been terrible as long as I have been alive and it's a lot worse if you aren't a white person. People in Canada won't usually call people out and make scenes it's a lot more subtle than that. As I said, discrimination is done behind people's back. It can be seen everywhere from how teachers treat students of different ethnic backgrounds to the hiring practices of department stores. You have to be naive to think that racism in Canada begins and ends with the historical treatment of First Nations people. However, this is to be expected as Canada's immigration policy is to let virually anyone in and let foreign people pillage healthcare, welfare and everything else. I used to live in Brampton and a lot of white people were very unhappy with the number of Indian immigrants coming in. Again, these kind of conversations are done behind closed doors and not out in the open. To me this typifies racism in the moer metropolitan areas of Canada.
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dyc



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

recessiontime wrote:


if you are a visable minority in Canada you can kiss your chances of gainful employment anywhere. Unless you are a girl. The economy in Ontario at least has been terrible as long as I have been alive and it's a lot worse if you aren't a white person. People in Canada won't usually call people out and make scenes it's a lot more subtle than that. As I said, discrimination is done behind people's back. It can be seen everywhere from how teachers treat students of different ethnic backgrounds to the hiring practices of department stores.


Funny, I see most ethnic minorities as employees in the service sector. Also, growing up in Vancouver, I haven't noticed any preferential treatment by teachers towards certain ethnic groups.

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You have to be naive to think that racism in Canada begins and ends with the historical treatment of First Nations people.


I didn't mean that "Canada" isn't racist (hard to make claims about a whole country, but I digress...), but you weren't making yourself very clear.

But surely, racism began with the Canadian government's treatment of First Nations. Of course, it doesn't end there (hell, it's still a big problem), but I would think that colonialism is pretty much the first act of racism.



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I used to live in Brampton and a lot of white people were very unhappy with the number of Indian immigrants coming in. Again, these kind of conversations are done behind closed doors and not out in the open. To me this typifies racism in the moer metropolitan areas of Canada.


So would you rather have White Pride marches so that people know racism is "out in the open," as opposed to people keeping to themselves and not causing a fuss?
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recessiontime



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

red herring. I'm saying that racism exists in Canada as it does exist in Austrlia and it's just as bad but in a different form. A recent study showed that people with Asian surnames were 50% less likely to a call back from employers. It's also pretty commonplace for employers to ask immigrant professional if they have any "Canadian experience" so they can screen them out of employment subtly without looking like racists. This is the face of racism in Canada. It's behind closed doors, swept under the rug and you don't hear about it but it exists whether that makes you feel comfortable or not. With Australia, we see racism in the form of the bashing of Indian students and while this may be more sensational, it's just as bad as the discrimination there is in Canada.
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fadedgirl



Joined: 26 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

back to the OP
in Korea, I get African and Mexican...I guess because I've got an olive skin tone

in the States, I get "Hola" or "Where are you from? No, I mean originally...no I mean where are your parents from?"
Apparently saying I'm American is not acceptable.
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