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Sleepy in Seoul
Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ
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| CentralCali wrote: |
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| Radius wrote: |
| Throw the book at him, and move the US military away from Seoul. They are becoming an embarrassment to me. |
They? What percentage of the American military are engaging in this behavior? |
0% is the only acceptable percentage. And any action by one member of an exclusive group taints all the others in, or associated with, the group. |
In that case, then all Koreans need to move out of Seoul. |
Putting the onus for U.S. soldiers' behaviour back onto the Koreans is a complete cop-out. |
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nukeday
Joined: 13 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, that went way over Sleepy in Seoul's head!
"0% is the only acceptable percentage. And any action by one member of an exclusive group taints all the others in, or associated with, the group. "
Read your own post, man! |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks, nukeday. No way, nowhere, and no how did I "put the onus back on the Koreans" for anyone's behavior. |
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Sleepy in Seoul
Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ
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| Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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| No, you just avoided the topic completely. Well done. Perhaps you can address my point now? If you can. |
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hellofaniceguy
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: On your computer screen!
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| Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| They? What percentage of the American military are engaging in this behavior? |
vs koreans who rape everyday!
Most women do not report it for many reasons....
one can witness drunken ajoshies day in and day out trying to have their way with k girls....
let's not write of the military guy just yet....it could well be YOU getting jammed up over some BS...wait for the facts...not newspaper stories....
one article states it was attempted rape..another states rape....
wait for the facts... |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Sleepy in Seoul wrote: |
| No, you just avoided the topic completely. Well done. Perhaps you can address my point now? If you can. |
Perhaps you missed this from my post:
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| Regardless of who ends up with jurisdiction, I hope that whatever trial occurs is conducted fairly and, if guilty, he receives an appropriate sentence for the crime. |
That's a cop out? And where on Earth do you see me actually supporting rape, murder, or any other felony, by the way?
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Italy37612
Joined: 25 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| That is horrible. I think chemical castration is a fitting punishment for this type of crime. |
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Sleepy in Seoul
Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ
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| Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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And you haven't answered any question either, merely seeming to try to bring into question that this U.S. soldier may be part of a larger group. Such as one member of an army, for example.
| CentralCali wrote: |
| Radius wrote: |
| Throw the book at him, and move the US military away from Seoul. They are becoming an embarrassment to me. |
They? What percentage of the American military are engaging in this behavior? |
Perhaps you could simply say what you mean.
Any percentage is too much. As he is a member of the U.S. military, if this incident really happened as reported, then the U.S. military is responsible for his actions. The buck stops at the top. |
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Sleepy in Seoul
Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ
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| Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| No, you just avoided the topic completely. Well done. Perhaps you can address my point now? If you can. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Sleepy in Seoul wrote: |
| And you haven't answered any question either, merely seeming to try to bring into question that this U.S. soldier may be part of a larger group. Such as one member of an army, for example. |
Pure malarkey on your part. I did not question if this particular person is a member of a larger group.
Want to use a really broad brush? This particular individual is the member of a larger group than "US Soldiers stationed in Korea." He is a non-Korean in Korea. Should all foreigners leave Korea now because of this one alleged crime?
| Sleepy in Seoul wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| Radius wrote: |
| Throw the book at him, and move the US military away from Seoul. They are becoming an embarrassment to me. |
They? What percentage of the American military are engaging in this behavior? |
Perhaps you could simply say what you mean. |
I did say what I mean. It's prejudicial to treat all the members of one group for the actions of one member of that group. And it's especially prejudicial to do so if that member's actions are not the actions of a majority of the members of the group.
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| Any percentage is too much. As he is a member of the U.S. military, if this incident really happened as reported, then the U.S. military is responsible for his actions. The buck stops at the top. |
No. The individual is responsible for his actions, for his crime. The military will be resonsible for investigating, trying, and if he's found guilty, punishing him for the crime if, and only if, the Korean civilian authorities relinquish jurisdiction in this case.
I don't see how my posts can be considered as viewing rape, murder, and a number of other serious crimes to be acceptable behavior. If you really need it in large type, here it is:
I consider assault, rape, murder and a number of other serious crimes to be unacceptable behavior. I also consider prejudice to be unacceptable.
Clear enough? |
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Koreadays
Joined: 20 May 2008
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look, there is nothing happening on this DMZ it's all propaganda to make us believe KJI will actually start a war the day USA leaves.. BULL!!
it makes no difference USA is here or not here. If KJI starts war the US can be here in hours. okinawa is only a few clicks away.
It's time USA packed their bags and move to North Africa!
they are not needed here.. |
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Radius
Joined: 20 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:15 am Post subject: |
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look, there is nothing happening on this DMZ it's all propaganda to make us believe KJI will actually start a war the day USA leaves.. BULL!!
it makes no difference USA is here or not here. If KJI starts war the US can be here in hours. okinawa is only a few clicks away.
It's time USA packed their bags and move to North Africa!
they are not needed here.. |
agree. |
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smartwentcrazy
Joined: 26 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:40 am Post subject: |
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look, there is nothing happening on this DMZ it's all propaganda to make us believe KJI will actually start a war the day USA leaves.. BULL!!
it makes no difference USA is here or not here. If KJI starts war the US can be here in hours. okinawa is only a few clicks away.
It's time USA packed their bags and move to North Africa!
they are not needed here.. |
Uh, you're terribly mistaken to believe that. If you haven't noticed the geography of the Korean peninsula, Seoul is within minutes of the DMZ. Meaning that if North Korea were to invade, they would be able to reach Seoul and even further south within an hour or less. They have also recently found underground caves that have extended from North Korea all the way to Gangwondo. The only buffer South Korea has between North Korean invasion is the presence of the U.S. military. Despite their numbers and 'modernized' military, South Korea's naval/air/ground regiments are not nearly as well equipped or trained as the United States'. The difference between a "couple hours" can be a huge difference in terms of how many cities are taken and the numbers of people potentially saved or killed. If U.S. military strategists and policy makers were comfortable with letting SK fend for itself, they would've pulled their troops out a long time ago. I think I'll trust their expertise on the matter rather than those who spout off on an internet forum.
As for the servicemen causing crime in Korea, it's bound to happen. A lot of them are fresh out of high school (or drop outs) students, many of whom have gone through tours of duty in Iraq/Afghanistan. God knows what they've been through. Not excusing their behavior, but let's also keep in mind that they are putting their lives at risk so we can teach in this country. I don't think any of you could even fathom the price some of these soldiers have paid to keep this country and its inhabitants safe. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Not excusing their behavior, but let's also keep in mind that they are putting their lives at risk so we can teach in this country. I don't think any of you could even fathom the price some of these soldiers have paid to keep this country and its inhabitants safe. |
If you aren't excusing their behavior...then don't.
"but let's also keep in mind that they are putting their lives at risk so we can teach in this country."...this kind of proselytizing is comedy gold. 
...most aren't doing this (like most others on this planet) for any more than the fact that they are getting a paycheck for what they do�leave it at that. |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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I like how NETs in Korea see an isolated incident of crime in a group of thousands of people and expound on how we should denounce "their" behavior.
I'm glad the Koreans don't do that to us |
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